Got a RAV4.3 SR model

TBH I would not spend anywhere close to that on a Sat Nav update as you could get a brand new SatNav that is superior, albeit not built in, and with free map updates for life for half the price.

Ultimately, Sat Nav is just an assistant to the road signs, and every update is still well out of date even on the day it is released anyway, so really not worth paying more than a few quid in my honest opinion.

Similar to Firemac, there is a road - the A68 from Lauder to the Edinburgh bypass - I use that has not existed on a couple of SatNavs I have had but made no real difference

I already own a separate Garmin satnav, and no, I don't want an 'add on' satnav in this car, it's a top of the range model (that I just happened to come across, I wasn't particularly looking for the top spec) and I love the built in satnav, it's something I've always wanted.  I'll try to negotiate a reduction from Toyota and if not, the jury is still out if I go ahead. 

Totally concur with Our Leader there, even to the extent that I would exchange the whole bliddy unit for such as a Kenwood or Pioneer with all modder cons rather than pay Toyota their extortified prices. Yes......would be a bit of cash on top, but you get a better SOUND source into the bargain, which your standard speakers are well capable of dealing with. It should be noted I am usually first to advocate NOT changing these units, but the more we encourage Toyota to hump us......

Toyota Stafford will not budge from the price of £190. They said it is 1.5 hour job that was running continuously - whatever the significance of the "continuously" bit is.. Anyway, that's still an hourly rate of £127, given that no parts are provided, it's all 'labour'.

I'll live with it as it is thank you very much.

Unless the end destination is not selectable, then otherwise it's not so hard to follow a route anyway, even if roads have been changed, just keep heading in the general direction until the route is picked up again. And you can always check out a route beforehand using AA routes, Google Earth, whatever.

And these guys send you invite after invite to 'open days', that kind of stuff. Do they not realise that the basic reason people don't use main dealers is, quite simply, they are extortionately priced?! Plus, my motor engineer is a 'face to face' mechanic, I know him well and he looks after my cars with care and attention as if they were is own, I can trust him. In main dealers, the mechanics get no feedback as such from customers - at least not face to face - they just operate on a production line basis, one job after another. Soul destroying and likely to lead to apathy and a somewhat couldn't care attitude.

I certainly don't "rely blindly on satnavs", but equally I wouldn't want to go back to the days of trying to navigate while looking at a map, or even if the passenger is doing that. It often leads to rows as I'm sure most of us have experienced.. No, I always 'check out' a new journey on AA routes beforehand, plus Google Earth and I'll familiarise myself with the final roads both as maps and as satellite views, sometimes even printing them out.  But after that, yes I want and expect the satnav to take me there. The 'research' is my back up plan. One of the most annoying things about satnavs is if for whatever reason you are unable to insert a 'house number' when asked to do so, it doesn't like it! The problem is, a lot of people use house names and other destinations are companies, works etc. But in general, yes I like satnavs and obviously having one that is up to date is beneficial but not crucial.