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Post by charliefarlie on Jan 16, 2020 20:47:47 GMT
TBH most people understand a new build house is built by the lowest priced contractor, using the cheapest labour, in the shortest time with the cheapest products. Persimmon and Taylor Wimpey excel at this. Its well documented. Yet people still buy their product??!! Go figure. I’m old school. Stubborn.... opinionated......demanding when on site......... But my pride in my work was second to none... What I see today and the quality of the materials used and the negligent slip shod way the animals construct fills me with dread and anger in equal measures. National house builders have zero regard for their customers. Their priority is the company share holders. |
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Post by clarki on Jan 16, 2020 20:59:07 GMT
So true. We don't really price for them anymore, been Knocked one to many times. Some of the privately owned housebuilders are first class though and we have a nice little in with a couple of them. Very fair. Good rates for a good job. All anybody can ask for tbh.
Been involved in a few "celeb" and footballers houses and the standard is second to none. But it ££costs.
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Post by bigkev on Jan 16, 2020 21:09:48 GMT
Much as I have a justifiably low opinion of the building trades and their shortcuts, Charlie, the usual up here is to use WAY TOO MUCH SAND to lay the blocks on, so regular car washing turned MANY driveways into quicksand and hellish amounts of failures and dips/wheel denting. As you say......IF done properly all well and good, but the same scum/arsehole builder, Persimmon, gave me a mortar mix laboratory/chemically proved to be 9 sand to 1 cement ffs.....! All had to be removed by angle grinder and replaced to a depth of 35mm........the mess cost me a new garden too.....! Mortar the bestvweed killer I have ever witnessed.......and grass killer.......and bushes..... The gates now open to all in the building trade to plead innocence.........my deafness shall be selective as usual........I had to work to stringent BS/ISO standards, and PAY for it to be implemented as an owner/director. Building trade, imho, is full of “that’s good enough for yer work” attitudinals. Kev if your saying your brickwork was laid with a 9 to 1 mix I’m afraid raking out and repointing is errrr not the answer. If the house is or was persimmon then the brickwork will not be load bearing. They only build timber frame houses called timber kits up your end. The roofs are battened and the tiles loaded to stress the frame before bricklaying can commence. If the brickwork was laid before the frame was stressed it would crack..... Were talking about your previous house here yes ? Yeah.....previous house Charlie......bought 2002, and as Clarki says, we should all go figure, and we have......and have figured that the building trade is utterly and absolutely awash with charlatans, dishonesty, and folk who are bigger bums than two arses.......from large corporations down to individuals whose one aim in life is to relieve an unsuspecting and even today an uneducated public of their hard earned cash........and when the going gets tough, liquidate (go bust.....) and start up the next day with a nice new name. No building company should be allowed to hide behind limited liability status in my opinion. |
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Post by bigkev on Jan 16, 2020 21:16:48 GMT
Forgot to answer, Charlie......you are correct......facing/engineered brick was purely a facade and non load bearing. I demanded they take it away, but wouldah needed to join the masons for that to be done......they repointed it........but sometimes forgot to stop their angle grinders before it hit the upvc fekn glazing........utter scum builder Persimmon........the cinema room extension I had built on had pointing you couldnae bliddy drill......!
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Post by clarki on Jan 16, 2020 21:35:19 GMT
Kev if your saying your brickwork was laid with a 9 to 1 mix I’m afraid raking out and repointing is errrr not the answer. If the house is or was persimmon then the brickwork will not be load bearing. They only build timber frame houses called timber kits up your end. The roofs are battened and the tiles loaded to stress the frame before bricklaying can commence. If the brickwork was laid before the frame was stressed it would crack..... Were talking about your previous house here yes ? Yeah.....previous house Charlie......bought 2002, and as Clarki says, we should all go figure, and we have......and have figured that the building trade is utterly and absolutely awash with charlatans, dishonesty, and folk who are bigger bums than two arses.......from large corporations down to individuals whose one aim in life is to relieve an unsuspecting and even today an uneducated public of their hard earned cash........and when the going gets tough, liquidate (go bust.....) and start up the next day with a nice new name. No building company should be allowed to hide behind limited liability status in my opinion. No, what you've done is tarred everybody with same brush. That's a well thought out and balanced conclusion. Oh wait...no...that bit's not true. You've obviously had a terrible experience and that shouldn't happen. But it does, you won't have been the first and won't be the last. All industries have idiots and people that will take advantage of you at the drop of a hat. They also have decent folk that do a decent job. Just life I guess. |
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Post by bigkev on Jan 16, 2020 21:47:18 GMT
As I said.......” the gates are open”..........also bear in mind in being instrumental in building a small company to just under £7 million 20 years ago, some of the most negative experiences were from supposed “tradesmen” who thought they could turn up whenever it suited and went to the best/easiest offer first rather than chronologically. I am currently awaiting electrician number four turning up to wire a summer house completed in 4/2019......the other three quoted approx. prices, gave a start date......then.....guess what.....? Not withstauning recent surgery, would do the job myself. Yep......my tarry brush runneth over......
Now in a Springfield house up North.......extremely well built........director and tradesman level utterly shocking liars. Ground crew or what used to be called “labourers”.......nothing short of utterly SUPERB.
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Post by clarki on Jan 16, 2020 21:58:41 GMT
Fair enough, keep tarring away, if that works for you. Just don't get it on the block paving!!
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Post by bigkev on Jan 16, 2020 22:03:47 GMT
Fair enough, keep tarring away, if that works for you. Just don't get it on the block paving!! Tardis......works a treat, and saves all that clay barring panels.......! |
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Post by charliefarlie on Jan 16, 2020 22:25:15 GMT
On building I think we have to separate the sectors to get to the actuality’s.
The level of quality on most of the big sites is worse than I’ve ever seen. In this sector I too will use the tar brush.
It is however unfair to say every single tradesmen is bad it’s the standards they are forced to work to in order to survive. Make it pay as we in the trade would put it.
My trade was roof tiling and slating. But I along with the aid of top tradesmen built houses ... I also have a higher national diploma in the conservation of masonry ..... I did that to prove to myself that a thick dyslexic mongrel like me could scrape through such a qualification.
I think my experience entitles me to say without doubt that the current standards in new house building Is far king woeful... Period.
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Post by bigkev on Jan 17, 2020 8:24:19 GMT
On building I think we have to separate the sectors to get to the actuality’s. The level of quality on most of the big sites is worse than I’ve ever seen. In this sector I too will use the tar brush. It is however unfair to say every single tradesmen is bad it’s the standards they are forced to work to in order to survive. Make it pay as we in the trade would put it. My trade was roof tiling and slating. But I along with the aid of top tradesmen built houses ... I also have a higher national diploma in the conservation of masonry ..... I did that to prove to myself that a thick dyslexic mongrel like me could scrape through such a qualification. I think my experience entitles me to say without doubt that the current standards in new house building Is far king woeful... Period. Problem is what you CANNAE see, Charlie.......if you cock up roof tiles/ slates, or Clarki puts down monoblock poorly, it is there for all to see. What I have discovered going on behind plasterboard in four new builds is utterly astonishful. One of the worst ever was a join in 6mm twin and earth going to a cooker outlet......the join was OPEN connector block......he/she had cut the bliddy wire short ffs.....never even slabbered it with tape. Plus TWO downpipes to soil from the roof gutters....attached to nothing......Persimshit...... |
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Post by clarki on Jan 22, 2020 18:35:56 GMT
As you can see it was set a bit high in the beginning and went everywhere  Just as well we practiced out on the road, was still there 2 days later!!  |
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Post by charliefarlie on Jan 22, 2020 20:03:01 GMT
As you can see it was set a bit high in the beginning and went everywhere Just as well we practiced out on the road, was still there 2 days later!! If your foam is to thick it will strip any wax or sealant ..If of course you’ve applied any 👍👍 |
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Post by bigkev on Jan 23, 2020 10:20:54 GMT
In the damp conditions we have had of late, snowfoam lasts for DAYS in the gutter.....! Obviously that is NOT the wee plakky Karcher gun.....!
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Post by clarki on Jan 23, 2020 11:42:41 GMT
No Kev, splashed some cash and got something half decent - just didn't realise it came pre-set set on full, doh!!
Kids in the street (and me tbh) thought it was great fun, not sure their parents agreed.
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Post by bigkev on Jan 23, 2020 12:27:01 GMT
No Kev, splashed some cash and got something half decent - just didn't realise it came pre-set set on full, doh!! Kids in the street (and me tbh) thought it was great fun, not sure their parents agreed. Yeah.....on Charlie recco I bought a......gubber it......forget the name.......same as Charlie’s Pressure Washer beast.......anywayz, it comes pre-set too, whereas the cheaper farry easty wans have an adjuster wheel, but have found they clog readily. This foam gun is the bog’s dollox......should be at £48.00 and gives the same coat and pressure every time. KRANZL GUN. |
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