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Post by charliefarlie on Mar 29, 2021 18:33:32 GMT
I know it’s a very debatable point but Lewis over these last few years would have had to try not to win given the kit he has. Russel highlighted that last year. Fair point Charlie but his teammate hasn't managed it with the same equipment. Maybe that says more about Bottas than Hamilton. |
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Post by jasehutch on Mar 29, 2021 19:12:37 GMT
Fair point Charlie but his teammate hasn't managed it with the same equipment. Maybe that says more about Bottas than Hamilton. Maybe , but Mercedes must rate Bottas to keep him on board. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Mar 29, 2021 19:24:46 GMT
Maybe that says more about Bottas than Hamilton. Maybe , but Mercedes must rate Bottas to keep him on board. I’m amazed they kept him on.... I bet if he were in one of the lower division cars he would be nowhere .. |
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Post by clarki on Mar 29, 2021 20:18:18 GMT
Maybe that says more about Bottas than Hamilton. Maybe , but Mercedes must rate Bottas to keep him on board. or b) Toto Wolf is his manager |
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Post by three5 on Mar 29, 2021 21:06:49 GMT
Maybe that says more about Bottas than Hamilton. Maybe , but Mercedes must rate Bottas to keep him on board. Fully agree. We have seen what happens when team "mates" get over competitive with one another in other places. Mercedes ( and all the other teams ) need a winner plus someone who will back him up and get second place so that they win the constructors championship. Botas is perfect for that role IMHO. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Mar 30, 2021 7:29:31 GMT
Maybe , but Mercedes must rate Bottas to keep him on board. Fully agree. We have seen what happens when team "mates" get over competitive with one another in other places. Mercedes ( and all the other teams ) need a winner plus someone who will back him up and get second place so that they win the constructors championship. Botas is perfect for that role IMHO. It’s hardly sport if someone is told to come second.... |
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Post by clarki on Mar 30, 2021 8:18:33 GMT
...and they still won when hamilton and rosberg were going at it hammer and tongs!!
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Post by three5 on Mar 30, 2021 8:28:17 GMT
...and they still won when hamilton and rosberg were going at it hammer and tongs!! Rosberg. Did he leave or was he leaved? I don't think that he did much for the team and I'd question how much he was trusted by Mercedes. |
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Post by three5 on Mar 30, 2021 8:31:52 GMT
Fully agree. We have seen what happens when team "mates" get over competitive with one another in other places. Mercedes ( and all the other teams ) need a winner plus someone who will back him up and get second place so that they win the constructors championship. Botas is perfect for that role IMHO. It’s hardly sport if someone is told to come second.... Like it or not, it's a team sport the way it runs now. If there was no Constructors title to play for it might well be a different sport altogether. |
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Post by unclebob on Mar 30, 2021 9:17:43 GMT
It’s hardly sport if someone is told to come second.... Like it or not, it's a team sport the way it runs now. If there was no Constructors title to play for it might well be a different sport altogether. Agree it’s a team sport and they win and loose as a team. Going back in history team orders have always been used ...harsh if you are the number two driver guess the way around that is to do a Leclerc and knock the number one driver off his pedestal 😉. |
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Post by clarki on Mar 30, 2021 10:41:02 GMT
...and they still won when hamilton and rosberg were going at it hammer and tongs!! Rosberg. Did he leave or was he leaved? I don't think that he did much for the team and I'd question how much he was trusted by Mercedes. He won them a few Constructors Championships and a WDC, developed the car and sponsorship pre-hamilton and gave hamilton his only real competition over the last 10 years - nah, not much  |
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Post by Hoovie on Mar 30, 2021 11:02:32 GMT
Rosberg. Did he leave or was he leaved? I don't think that he did much for the team and I'd question how much he was trusted by Mercedes. He won them a few Constructors Championships and a WDC, developed the car and sponsorship pre-hamilton and gave hamilton his only real competition over the last 10 years - nah, not much many other drivers on the grid would have contributed just as much in terms of adding points to help win WCCs. He got the WDC by virtue of luck and he knew that full well and that is why he decided to leave on a high as the reigning Champion. I have a feeling Ross Brawn had a tad more involvement in developing the car than Rosberg did  |
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Post by Hoovie on Mar 30, 2021 11:24:33 GMT
Maybe , but Mercedes must rate Bottas to keep him on board. Fully agree. We have seen what happens when team "mates" get over competitive with one another in other places. Mercedes ( and all the other teams ) need a winner plus someone who will back him up and get second place so that they win the constructors championship. Botas is perfect for that role IMHO. In F1 there has almost always been a "Head" Driver and a Wingman. It is upto the second driver to prove himself to get the step up and then the former head driver usually buggers off somewhere else. Rosbergs issue was that it was "his" team and he also thought he had out-performed the best driver in Schumacher, so he must be #1 - but Schumacher Rebooted was not a patch on the original release and Rosberg was just a talented journeyman driver. Couple of examples of drivers getting bumped off the head role with the current grid could be: Max promoted to Red Bull from Toro Rosso and outperforming Danny Ric. LeClerc promoted to Ferrari and outperforming Seb Vettel In the past, McLaren were the chief advocates of having two top drivers and letting them race and it was embarrassing actually. Prost and Senna coming together as not working as a team. Senna and Prost coming together the next year - revenge for the previous year. Alonso and Hamilton loosing the WDC due to their antics and handing it to Kimmi R and Ferrari when he didn't deserve it (in that year). Hamilton and Button could have gone a similar way possibly if their car was championship-challenging thoughout a season. They certainly had a few moments but they respected each other more than the previous pairings mentioned and there was not so much at stake. There is not enough room in one team for the Egos of two equal and top drivers to be team mates. |
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Post by clarki on Mar 30, 2021 15:13:48 GMT
He won them a few Constructors Championships and a WDC, developed the car and sponsorship pre-hamilton and gave hamilton his only real competition over the last 10 years - nah, not much many other drivers on the grid would have contributed just as much in terms of adding points to help win WCCs. He got the WDC by virtue of luck and he knew that full well and that is why he decided to leave on a high as the reigning Champion. I have a feeling Ross Brawn had a tad more involvement in developing the car than Rosberg did Yup, he beat Hamilton with luck, that's right. I'm no Rosberg fanboy but that's nonsense. You could say Hamilton won the year Rosberg's car broke at the last race (steering wheel IIRC) by luck, but that would be nonsense too. He beat Hamilton, probably the best ever, head to head, over a full season, in equal machinery. Bottas can only dream of that. |
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Post by clarki on Mar 30, 2021 15:18:20 GMT
In the past, McLaren were the chief advocates of having two top drivers and letting them race and it was embarrassing actually. Prost and Senna coming together as not working as a team. Senna and Prost coming together the next year - revenge for the previous year. Alonso and Hamilton loosing the WDC due to their antics and handing it to Kimmi R and Ferrari when he didn't deserve it (in that year). Hamilton and Button could have gone a similar way possibly if their car was championship-challenging thoughout a season. They certainly had a few moments but they respected each other more than the previous pairings mentioned and there was not so much at stake. There is not enough room in one team for the Egos of two equal and top drivers to be team mates. So to sum it up...WAS exciting...IS boring Although fingers crossed for Max v Lewis this year. Only issue for me is i'd like them both to win  |
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