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Post by Ravasher on Sept 7, 2018 14:15:41 GMT
I’ve had a puncture this morning on the rear tyre thankfully it’s the one that was going to be replaced anyway as it was wearing out on the inside.
I’ve called ATS to get a price and they’re saying because it’s a 4x4 the tyre has to be the same brand, tread and load rating. Is this correct? I’ve never heard this before but previously the same garage when replacing another tyre advised that as long as they have the same load rating on the same axle it doesn’t matter which brand it is.
The tyres fitted at the moment are 235, 55, R18 104 H XL. It’s really annoying. If I want it replaced his saying I need to have the same or my insurance will invalidate any claim or are they trying to rip me off.
I can go to another place but the cars off the road with a punctured tyre and with Mrs working I can’t get to any other place till Monday now. I’ve called a few others but they don’t have the tyre in stock
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Post by philip42h on Sept 7, 2018 15:19:32 GMT
I'm sure that this question has been asked before ... probably by you, yourself ...  The 'correct' tyre for your RAV is a 235/55 R18 99H so what you have are 'over spec'd' for the car. In my opinion - i.e. I'm expressing an opinion rather than a fact, fitting anything less than a 99H standard load tyre would invalidate your insurance. As I understand it is a good idea to ensure that both tyres on an axle are to the same spec and as similar as possible - so same brand is good but failing that at least a similar tread pattern. If I couldn't or didn't want to get an exact match for the existing tyre, I'd be inclined to replace them as a pair. And maybe that is what the garage / ATS is encouraging you to do. Again, as I understand, some 4x4s are very fussy that all 4 tyres should be the same - I'm pretty sure that the RAV isn't that fussy. Apart from anything else, it isn't a permanent 4 wheel drive so differences between the front and rear pairs can't really matter that much. Just an opinion ...  |
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Post by bothwellbuyer on Sept 7, 2018 15:33:15 GMT
I tend to favour Falken tyres on my fast RAVs (thats when they were working). I used a higher spec tyre due to thrashing them on the quarter mile sprint. I also got hold of secondhand lower profile tyres for 1 set of wheels for us on the race track...(225.40x18)
And latterly was using the same tyre size but different brands and tread patterns (245/45x18)..and found absolutely no difference in performance on the road.
There is a bit of difference of course between summer and winter tyres....the compound is different as well a the tread pattern but I doubt it would make a lot of difference unless you were planning a circuit or four on the Silverstone track.
I've now been looking at alloys for my Volvo XC90 to replace the 17" wheels with either 19" or 20" wheels with the appropriate tyre..... and one of the main things to consider is the availability of the tyre size. Back in 1994, when the RAV was launched in the UK the tyre was only produced by Dunlop...no alternatives .. and the cost was £165/tyre !!!! That's 24 years ago!!!!!
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Post by Ravasher on Sept 7, 2018 16:10:52 GMT
Thanks Phil and Bothy, I probably have asked the question but I honestly forget. I’ve literlaly arrived home now and have Kwik Fit a call and they’ve said that as long as it’s the same load and speed rating it’s fine so this is where I get confused. The reason I had the Nokians fitted was because they had excellent reviews as all weather tyres and the insurance were ok as they were fitted after the run flats were removed
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Post by philip42h on Sept 7, 2018 16:26:49 GMT
Thanks Phil and Bothy, I probably have asked the question but I honestly forget. I’ve literlaly arrived home now and have Kwik Fit a call and they’ve said that as long as it’s the same load and speed rating it’s fine so this is where I get confused. The reason I had the Nokians fitted was because they had excellent reviews as all weather tyres and the insurance were ok as they were fitted after the run flats were removed OK, so I misunderstood somewhat ... if you chose the Nokian Weatherproofs then you probably want to stick with them. The challenge is then to get a replacement in short order as I doubt that they are routinely stocked by the ATS or Kwik Fits of this world ... |
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Post by Ravasher on Sept 7, 2018 20:08:18 GMT
Thanks Phil and Bothy, I probably have asked the question but I honestly forget. I’ve literlaly arrived home now and have Kwik Fit a call and they’ve said that as long as it’s the same load and speed rating it’s fine so this is where I get confused. The reason I had the Nokians fitted was because they had excellent reviews as all weather tyres and the insurance were ok as they were fitted after the run flats were removed OK, so I misunderstood somewhat ... if you chose the Nokian Weatherproofs then you probably want to stick with them. The challenge is then to get a replacement in short order as I doubt that they are routinely stocked by the ATS or Kwik Fits of this world ... It looks as if it’s mainly the indies that stock or deal with Nokian. It appears the guy at ATS was correct and it does actually say in the manual what he said 🙄🙄 so will have to buy two new tyres if I can’t get hold of the same.  |
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Post by bothwellbuyer on Sept 8, 2018 13:18:52 GMT
a bit extreme...written for the US market I guess.
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Post by firemac on Sept 8, 2018 13:32:22 GMT
a bit extreme...written for the US market I guess. Agree. The only advantage in having the same brand of tyre is that the wear rate is liable to be the same, which can be important on a 4WD vehicle given that large descrepancies in tread depth can cause expensive problems in the diffs. However if you're using quality brands the wear rate is likely to be similar anyway and the only consideration is the tread depth when new; new depth can vary between 8mm and 10mm depending on the model of tyre.
Certainly with regard to all seasons or winter tyres, I'd stick to the same brand all round.
Bothy's right, I reckon. Thanks to modern H & S laws/regs and headline court settlements like the infamous McDonalds hot coffee damages case, manufacturers like Toyota tend to default all their manuals/policies to the level where it is assumed that anyone buying their product is a complete idiot!
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Post by Ravasher on Sept 8, 2018 14:38:40 GMT
Struggling to find a Nokian tyre now even at the indies. Managed to find a place online just waiting to see if they have any in stock.
Think this compensation culture doesn’t really help though and I can see their point of view too.
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Post by philip42h on Sept 8, 2018 15:07:04 GMT
Struggling to find a Nokian tyre now even at the indies. Managed to find a place online just waiting to see if they have any in stock. Think this compensation culture doesn’t really help though and I can see their point of view too. Mytyres appear to have them: Nokian Weatherproof SUV and I thought that I saw them on Camskill : here but I guess the real issue for you now is how quickly they can deliver ... It might also be worth sourcing a space saver spare just to ensure that it doesn't happen again (on the principle that once you have the spare you won't need it!  |
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Post by Ravasher on Sept 8, 2018 20:43:51 GMT
Struggling to find a Nokian tyre now even at the indies. Managed to find a place online just waiting to see if they have any in stock. Think this compensation culture doesn’t really help though and I can see their point of view too. Mytyres appear to have them: Nokian Weatherproof SUV and I thought that I saw them on Camskill : here but I guess the real issue for you now is how quickly they can deliver ... It might also be worth sourcing a space saver spare just to ensure that it doesn't happen again (on the principle that once you have the spare you won't need it! Sod’s law if I buy a spare it won’t get used 😂 |
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Post by widge on Sept 12, 2018 13:56:47 GMT
a bit extreme...written for the US market I guess. Agree. The only advantage in having the same brand of tyre is that the wear rate is liable to be the same, which can be important on a 4WD vehicle given that large descrepancies in tread depth can cause expensive problems in the diffs. However if you're using quality brands the wear rate is likely to be similar anyway and the only consideration is the tread depth when new; new depth can vary between 8mm and 10mm depending on the model of tyre.
Certainly with regard to all seasons or winter tyres, I'd stick to the same brand all round.
Bothy's right, I reckon. Thanks to modern H & S laws/regs and headline court settlements like the infamous McDonalds hot coffee damages case, manufacturers like Toyota tend to default all their manuals/policies to the level where it is assumed that anyone buying their product is a complete idiot!
Just a note on the mc Donald's case, if it is the one Iam aware of, a faulty thermostat caused the water to be heated far in excess of what it should be and did badly scold the person, although a lot of media made a big joke about somebody winning a case against mc d about hot coffee. I am no way a supporter of mc d but hate real stories being trivialised or worse blown out of all proportion by the media just to sell papers. sorry rant over. Dave |
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Post by Ravasher on Sept 24, 2018 11:55:24 GMT
Agree. The only advantage in having the same brand of tyre is that the wear rate is liable to be the same, which can be important on a 4WD vehicle given that large descrepancies in tread depth can cause expensive problems in the diffs. However if you're using quality brands the wear rate is likely to be similar anyway and the only consideration is the tread depth when new; new depth can vary between 8mm and 10mm depending on the model of tyre.
Certainly with regard to all seasons or winter tyres, I'd stick to the same brand all round.
Bothy's right, I reckon. Thanks to modern H & S laws/regs and headline court settlements like the infamous McDonalds hot coffee damages case, manufacturers like Toyota tend to default all their manuals/policies to the level where it is assumed that anyone buying their product is a complete idiot!
Just a note on the mc Donald's case, if it is the one Iam aware of, a faulty thermostat caused the water to be heated far in excess of what it should be and did badly scold the person, although a lot of media made a big joke about somebody winning a case against mc d about hot coffee. I am no way a supporter of mc d but hate real stories being trivialised or worse blown out of all proportion by the media just to sell papers. sorry rant over. Dave You’d be be surprised about things people will claim for. About 10 years ago when I was on the governing body of a local school we had a claim from a parent whose daughter had fallen in school during a cold winter on ice. The claim was based on the playground and access areas were not properly cleared of snow and not enough grit no broken burns or fractures They did end up getting paid out a very large sum and it obviously affected the budget. Another claim that I’m know of was when working for West Midlands PTE an engineer missed a nail and hit his thumb was paid out £3K and not sure if this one is true a council employee sued for bumping his head on a lorry roof whilst driving. It’s ridiculous nowadays. |
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Post by bothwellbuyer on Sept 24, 2018 22:55:49 GMT
A trainee numpty working with our charity was trained to lift paving slabs and stack them at 90 degrees - a mature chap who got taken to casualty to check his sore finger. then turned up to work the next day - a driver - and then months later he puts in a claim. No wages lost.
He got three grand compe sation as his training record hadn't been signed by him to confirm his paving slab stacking course ffs.
3 years later after he'd left, he wrote asking me for a reference. I phoned the prospective employer to offer my words of wisdom - which of course due to data protection, I cannot repeat here.
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Post by Ravasher on Sept 25, 2018 6:49:58 GMT
A trainee numpty working with our charity was trained to lift paving slabs and stack them at 90 degrees - a mature chap who got taken to casualty to check his sore finger. then turned up to work the next day - a driver - and then months later he puts in a claim. No wages lost. He got three grand compe sation as his training record hadn't been signed by him to confirm his paving slab stacking course ffs. 3 years later after he'd left, he wrote asking me for a reference. I phoned the prospective employer to offer my words of wisdom - which of course due to data protection, I cannot repeat here. This is my point it’s ridiculous nowadays credit to you though with the reference 😊 |
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