Fido
Club Member
Posts: 63
Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Year: 2006
Model Spec/Trim: VVT-I XT3 5 door Auto
Engine Capacity: 1998cc
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Automatic
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by Fido on Aug 18, 2018 9:54:37 GMT
I posted about this when I joined the forum a few months ago. Nearly 6 months on I still was depressing the brake and accelerator pedal at the same time when braking suddenly but always when travelling slowly or manoeuvring so no damage was caused. I kept thinking this was driver error and because I drive the car so little kept putting it to the back of my mind. Last week I decided to take the issue more seriously and looked closely at what was happening. Certainly at 6cm the gap between the pedals did seem small. But the real problem was brake pedal travel that took it below the accelerator pedal. Being still under warranty, I returned to the dealer who experienced the same problem when test driving the car. The car is now in the workshop. Bleeding the brakes didn't resolve the brake travel issue. Now they are going to replace the brake master cylinder. Hopefully that will sort it. Will report back on the outcome.
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Post by davrav on Aug 18, 2018 10:26:48 GMT
Hope you get a resolution to this issue. Could be very serious in the wrong circumstances.
Are all the attachments/pivots for both pedals correctly fixed?
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Fido
Club Member
Posts: 63
Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Year: 2006
Model Spec/Trim: VVT-I XT3 5 door Auto
Engine Capacity: 1998cc
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Automatic
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by Fido on Aug 19, 2018 17:57:22 GMT
I assume they will have been checked by the garage!
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Post by philip42h on Aug 20, 2018 10:36:44 GMT
I posted about this when I joined the forum a few months ago. Nearly 6 months on I still was depressing the brake and accelerator pedal at the same time when braking suddenly but always when travelling slowly or manoeuvring so no damage was caused. I kept thinking this was driver error and because I drive the car so little kept putting it to the back of my mind. Last week I decided to take the issue more seriously and looked closely at what was happening. Certainly at 6cm the gap between the pedals did seem small. But the real problem was brake pedal travel that took it below the accelerator pedal. Being still under warranty, I returned to the dealer who experienced the same problem when test driving the car. The car is now in the workshop. Bleeding the brakes didn't resolve the brake travel issue. Now they are going to replace the brake master cylinder. Hopefully that will sort it. Will report back on the outcome. Someone has just posted the exact same issue on "the other place" - so either that's you too or there's someone else with the same experience. OK, so I drive a 4.4 auto rather than a 4.3 auto and there's a massive gap between the accelerator and brake pedals - it's around 6cm ...  ... I suspect that gaps between the pedals would be rather smaller / tighter on a manual. And, of course, on an auto the brake pedal is quite wide making it very easy to 'hit'. Brake pedal travel is pretty much as you describe - it starts a centimetre or so above the level of of the accelerator pedal at rest and finishes a centimetre or so below. And I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it should be. Now, I don't mean to take the **** but to operate the brake with one's right foot one must lift one's foot off the accelerator (above the resting height of the brake), move it a long way across to traverse that massive 6cm gap and stamp down on the brake! Having not too much height and having relative small feet I've never tried resting my heel on the floor and just rotating my ankle to brake - it wouldn't work for me and I rather doubt that it would work to well for anyone else - you just need to get your heel under the brake pedal rather than the accelerator! ... i.e. I'm trying to gently suggest that the 'issue' may be with the driver rather than with the car.  An alternative remedy might be to brake with your left foot - it's spare and has nothing better to do. |
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Fido
Club Member
Posts: 63
Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Year: 2006
Model Spec/Trim: VVT-I XT3 5 door Auto
Engine Capacity: 1998cc
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Automatic
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by Fido on Aug 20, 2018 18:38:35 GMT
I fully accept it may be driver error. But I have been driving for 56 years now and have had many cars. I doubt I have suddenly changed my driving habits in the last 6 months after getting my latest RAV4. This is is the first time I have experienced my problem. And the guy that sold me the car experienced the same problem when driving the car to the company workshop. I now have to wait for the replacement master cylinder to arrive from Japan. To be continued .......
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Fido
Club Member
Posts: 63
Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Year: 2006
Model Spec/Trim: VVT-I XT3 5 door Auto
Engine Capacity: 1998cc
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Automatic
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by Fido on Oct 30, 2018 15:25:36 GMT
The Master Cylinder was replaced. It did not make much difference. I think Philip42h was right. I have trained myself to reposition my heel further to the left. And as long as I remember to do that the problem is solved. But it still leaves me wondering why I had no similar problem during over 50 years of driving many other cars for over 500,000 miles!
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Post by bigkev on Nov 2, 2018 14:30:44 GMT
Funny that Fido min.......never experienced your problem before.......until a couple of days ago, when I was wearing a big pair of tackety boots I very seldom wear, and I pressed the gas pedal ever so slightly whilst braking. Enough to moisten my only pair of Y-Fronts, believe me.
Can only trace to one similarity......both our cars are Nottymatics, therefore have slightly wider brake pedals, naw.....? Will be very careful forthwith and fifthwithout to position my right foot a bit furtherer to left before pressing brake. Lesson learned......
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Fido
Club Member
Posts: 63
Primary Vehicle: RAV4
Year: 2006
Model Spec/Trim: VVT-I XT3 5 door Auto
Engine Capacity: 1998cc
Fuel Type: Petrol
Transmission: Automatic
Drive Type: 4WD/AWD
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Post by Fido on Jul 30, 2022 12:27:39 GMT
4 years on I still have my RAV4 - a 2006 model and just 32,000. It remains a delight to drive and I have no plan to replace it. While I have trained myself to move my braking foot to the left I still occasionally fail to do it and end up hitting the accelerator as well - each time it did not cause a problem. The main consequence is that there is no way I allow my wife to drive the car. I remain surprised that the issue is rarely reported by others.
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Post by davrav on Jul 30, 2022 23:34:11 GMT
Does your wife have smaller feet? If so, might actually be safer for her to drive :yes: p
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... I suspect that gaps between the pedals would be rather smaller / tighter on a manual. And, of course, on an auto the brake pedal is quite wide making it very easy to 'hit'.
