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Post by davidwilson on Mar 7, 2018 13:40:45 GMT
225/65 R17 is what the standard wheels on my '08 have 
So why should I pay £50 a tyre more?
Always used Toyo on track & kit cars, always been happy with them,
If you are happy it will save you £200 but you can see the difference in the advert: premium rather than quality, slightly quieter when new, all season compared with summer, higher speed rating and extra load. It really is a personal choice and a set of new tyres of any brand will be better than a worn out set. I think the Michelin tyres are great value for what they deliver but I am not the one buying tyres at present! I suppose we tend to stick to what we know and trust. I don't have shares in Michelin! |
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Post by Hoovie on Mar 7, 2018 15:27:11 GMT
If happy with Toyo, buy Toyo  |
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Post by phaeton on Mar 7, 2018 15:37:57 GMT
If happy with Toyo, buy Toyo
I can't find the website I found them at that price now & Blackcircles want £91.55 each but worst they can't now fit until Saturday when we go off on holiday, so looks like they'll be doing another 1k before being changed
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Post by davidwilson on Mar 7, 2018 16:37:47 GMT
If happy with Toyo, buy Toyo
I can't find the website I found them at that price now & Blackcircles want £91.55 each but worst they can't now fit until Saturday when we go off on holiday, so looks like they'll be doing another 1k before being changed
Try www.tyresonthedrive.com |
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Post by phaeton on Mar 7, 2018 17:20:16 GMT
I can't find the website I found them at that price now & Blackcircles want £91.55 each but worst they can't now fit until Saturday when we go off on holiday, so looks like they'll be doing another 1k before being changed
Try www.tyresonthedrive.comUnfortunately even more £95.99 it's a conspiracy |
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Post by bigkev on Mar 7, 2018 18:34:35 GMT
Comparing Cross Climates with Toyo Proxes is comparing apples with pears.........better look at comparing tyres of same Grade. Not me personally, but I know of a Rav in Glasgow, 2WD that ran on Toyo something or others........for a whole 18k miles........that is woeful.
Michelin have a great view of their own tonsils coz their heads are up their bums with this new "silica" technology. Watch prices plummet when somebody copies. I would have their CC's tomorrow though, if only due to my respect for Hoovie's opinion of them, but at a looming 5k pa mileage, I should really be looking lower doon the "Premium" ladder....?
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Post by Hoovie on Mar 7, 2018 18:52:39 GMT
Not keen on the budget or midrange stuff. I think with Tyres it is you get what you pay for. (exception maybe General Grabbers, but they are Continentals under a different name anyway).
I'll have to look at new tyres for the Camperbus in a year or so - only 15" tyres, so cheaper - but will need 6 of them so savings wiped out!
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Post by davidwilson on Mar 7, 2018 20:04:05 GMT
Comparing Cross Climates with Toyo Proxes is comparing apples with pears.........better look at comparing tyres of same Grade. Not me personally, but I know of a Rav in Glasgow, 2WD that ran on Toyo something or others........for a whole 18k miles........that is woeful. Michelin have a great view of their own tonsils coz their heads are up their bums with this new "silica" technology. Watch prices plummet when somebody copies. I would have their CC's tomorrow though, if only due to my respect for Hoovie's opinion of them, but at a looming 5k pa mileage, I should really be looking lower doon the "Premium" ladder....? Hi Kev, not meaning to be awkward but how does your low mileage affect your decision? I estimate only 8k pa but I still fancy a set of cross climates ! |
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Post by phaeton on Mar 8, 2018 8:29:20 GMT
Comparing Cross Climates with Toyo Proxes is comparing apples with pears...
But the question is though do I need the bejeweled apples when the bog standard pears will suffice, we've had the car 3 years, on buying it had part worn Kumho Adventuers (or something like that) they have done everything we have needed (done 20K on the front, backs don't need replacing just yet). We live on the North Notts, South Yorks border, don't have much extreme weather, I am a granddad & drive like one, if I want speed of which I am a junky I'll do a trackday, to be honest I'm more bothered about wear rate & longevity than grip. I can understand those of you in Scotland who may get colder roads for more months & more snow, but in the last 5 years I think we've had 4 days of snow.
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Post by bigkev on Mar 8, 2018 11:04:37 GMT
Comparing Cross Climates with Toyo Proxes is comparing apples with pears.........better look at comparing tyres of same Grade. Not me personally, but I know of a Rav in Glasgow, 2WD that ran on Toyo something or others........for a whole 18k miles........that is woeful. Michelin have a great view of their own tonsils coz their heads are up their bums with this new "silica" technology. Watch prices plummet when somebody copies. I would have their CC's tomorrow though, if only due to my respect for Hoovie's opinion of them, but at a looming 5k pa mileage, I should really be looking lower doon the "Premium" ladder....? Hi Kev, not meaning to be awkward but how does your low mileage affect your decision? I estimate only 8k pa but I still fancy a set of cross climates ! The answer is kinda complex......having just outlayed £900.00 on WINTER Yokohamas and wheels, partly as "sacrificials" in order to not ruin my original SR Alloys which are now unavailable, I could virtually run during the summer months on QUALITY tyres like Phaeton's Yokos......it just makes no commercial sense to pay woeful extra amounts for tyres like Michelin CC, only to remove them after a few months low mileage to put the WINTERS back on. I am fully aware that these tyres, all 8, will more than likely be "time barred" long before they wear oot. Ye pays yer choice and takes yer money........my sacrificial winters give me incredible PURPOSE MADE grip, not just CLAIMING to be winter tyres "ALSO", and my car looks like new with the original 5.5 year old alloys remaining unsalted and unmarked. It's a rectumnally analistic thing. Forgot to say.......sister put Cross Climates on her wee Toyota Yaris on my and Hoovie's say so.........15" wans........they are utterly superb, but in 16" of Glesga snow last week.....? She left them at home......lol....! |
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Post by philip42h on Mar 8, 2018 11:26:44 GMT
Comparing Cross Climates with Toyo Proxes is comparing apples with pears...
But the question is though do I need the bejeweled apples when the bog standard pears will suffice, we've had the car 3 years, on buying it had part worn Kumho Adventuers (or something like that) they have done everything we have needed (done 20K on the front, backs don't need replacing just yet). We live on the North Notts, South Yorks border, don't have much extreme weather, I am a granddad & drive like one, if I want speed of which I am a junky I'll do a trackday, to be honest I'm more bothered about wear rate & longevity than grip. I can understand those of you in Scotland who may get colder roads for more months & more snow, but in the last 5 years I think we've had 4 days of snow.
If "bog standard pears" suit your need and the Toyos float your boat why waste money on "bejeweled apples". But for me - and if I were making do with one set of tyres all year round - I'd spend the extra for the 3PMSF logo on the side of the CrossClimates. The CrossClimates are certified for winter use whereas the Toyos seem not even to boast M&S marking. Here on the Welsh borders we've had five days of snow already this year and another five last December when the neighbours just couldn't get out. I currently run separate sets of summer and winter tyres which is, on average, overkill since the previous three or four winters have been exceptionally mild so swapping over spring and autumn is just a chore. As and when I wear them out sufficiently (in mileage or time) I will switch to an "all season" solution rather than run standard summer tyres. But as already said "you pays your choice and takes the money".  |
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Post by davidwilson on Mar 8, 2018 15:56:40 GMT
Hi Kev, not meaning to be awkward but how does your low mileage affect your decision? I estimate only 8k pa but I still fancy a set of cross climates ! The answer is kinda complex......having just outlayed £900.00 on WINTER Yokohamas and wheels, partly as "sacrificials" in order to not ruin my original SR Alloys which are now unavailable, I could virtually run during the summer months on QUALITY tyres like Phaeton's Yokos......it just makes no commercial sense to pay woeful extra amounts for tyres like Michelin CC, only to remove them after a few months low mileage to put the WINTERS back on. I am fully aware that these tyres, all 8, will more than likely be "time barred" long before they wear oot. Ye pays yer choice and takes yer money........my sacrificial winters give me incredible PURPOSE MADE grip, not just CLAIMING to be winter tyres "ALSO", and my car looks like new with the original 5.5 year old alloys remaining unsalted and unmarked. It's a rectumnally analistic thing. Forgot to say.......sister put Cross Climates on her wee Toyota Yaris on my and Hoovie's say so.........15" wans........they are utterly superb, but in 16" of Glesga snow last week.....? She left them at home......lol....! Cross Climates on a Yaris or similarly light front wheel drive is about the best combination for bad weather I would think but what is 15" of snow?? 1.5 mm is enough for me to hibernate! If you already have winter tyres and can store and swap them then then I can't see an advantage for you in having the Cross Climates (I don't have the space to store or want the fuss of swapping between winter and summer tyres). However I would look for a Premium summer tyre for the warmer weather - I found the Geolander G91 to be a good tyre for the RAV but I didn't try any others. Although I didn't get much use out of the new tyres I put on the RAV and the CRV, it was noticed when I traded them in and I think it sent a positive signal for a good trade in price so I probably did okay financially. |
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Post by bigkev on Mar 8, 2018 19:13:12 GMT
Funnily enough, David, I have not even thunked about getting a standard SUMMER tyre as such. Last ones I had in error, Yokohama Advan ST80s, were superb in the warm and dry, and none too shabby in the wet of summer really.
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Post by three5 on Mar 8, 2018 20:52:37 GMT
Like Kev and a few others, I'm now a low mileage fella, probably just under 8k/year. I've just fitted a new set of winter tyres ( Goodyear Ultragrip Gen1 SUV ) and will swop to the summer ones, on their own wheels, at the beginning of April. At the end of 5 years both sets will have done 20k miles so I guess that I'll be looking at noise and fuel consumption as the final arbiters when I change the summer tyres. I'm a great fan of Michelin as well, having done over 40k very, very quiet miles on a set of Synergies.
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Post by Fido on Mar 9, 2018 16:40:39 GMT
I am back home now. The rear tyres are Bridgestone Dueler coded 1006 which makes them the original tyres. After 24000 miles they still have a 6mm depth. No signs of cracking. But will get them inspected by a more experienced eye. The fronts are 2016 budget replacements- HiFly Vigorous Highway Terrain with at least 6mm depth. I’ll leave things as they are for now. Thanks for all the contributions. I feel much better informed now.
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