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Post by sich1 on Mar 29, 2024 18:53:32 GMT
been watching the toyota uk website and browsing the used 4.5 awd hybrid vehicles for a while now. i went for a mooch around the local listers branch and had a chat with a nice guy about 2nd hand vehicles, short supply or what!! i have noticed they were moving fast on the web, but over their entire group they could only find 3 i was looking for.... excel or dynamic/GR 2 had already been reserved and there was a nice grey GR with 19k on it but 29,995. bloody hell my house cost about that....lol i was shopping with a tight budget of around 25k and in the excel/dynamic that dont seem to get much 26-27 was the price for the other 2. i want the toys/leather so limited a bit, oh well still looking, and driving the 4.2  |
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Post by charliefarlie on Mar 29, 2024 21:59:16 GMT
Most car prices are dropping. The trade says cars aren’t shifting like they were. Possibly as people are coming out of PCPs and finance deals and the mortgage rates and the cost of living means no new cars…. Problem with the RAV4 as we’ve touched on in other threads is they have such a good reputation which firms prices… Even old cars like mine are selling for far more than they should 👍👍
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Post by firemac on Apr 12, 2024 14:45:04 GMT
Selling my 2004 Land Cruiser 3.0 D-4D TD Auto LC4. Reason for selling is that I am moving to Norway and can't take it with me. Rock solid, go-anywhere motor with. Full set of Falken Wildpeak AT3W tyres. The spare is completely unused, the 4 on the car have 15,000 miles on them (Falken give them a 65,000 miles tread life warranty so plenty of tread left). Engine is sweet as a nut and only has 169,262 miles on the clock. MOT until 09/2024. Its never let me down and I am pained to sell it. Never been on a farm. Timing belt done, car has had new shocks and new injectors. 2 x batteries installed 15,000 miles ago. Loads of logbook history, small gap in the middle of the history where the second owner serviced the car himself but everything before and after is complete. Test drives and inspection welcome.
£6500 ono
Car is in Leominster, North Herefordshire.
Charlie, are you still looking for a LC? This looks interesting. It’s on the LC UK forum on Facebook.
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Post by clarki on Apr 12, 2024 18:29:03 GMT
Corollas are dropping fast at the moment. Which isn’t good for me 😳
I keep an eye on 3 series estates but they still seem high for decent spec models. Trying to find a 2.0 petrol xdrive is hard!!
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Post by sich1 on Apr 13, 2024 8:11:59 GMT
wish the 4.5 would drop, but as charlie says they are commanding a premium still.
the 4.2 still rols on though so i think its a case of waiting until either the 4.2 goes bang or prices weaken.
that LC is intersting at that price, but not for me.
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Post by philip42h on Apr 13, 2024 8:45:38 GMT
wish the 4.5 would drop, but as charlie says they are commanding a premium still. the 4.2 still rols on though so i think its a case of waiting until either the 4.2 goes bang or prices weaken. that LC is intersting at that price, but not for me. No, no no, I'd like to see the 4.5 hold that premium price for as long as possible - but I guess it's really a question of perspective!  It is interesting to note that you / one could have a new bZ4X EV at 0% finance, a RAV4 PHEV at 1.2% finance or a RAV4 HEV at 8.9% finance - which suggests that availability of the standard hybrid is quite low in comparison to demand ... |
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Post by charliefarlie on Apr 13, 2024 16:14:53 GMT
wish the 4.5 would drop, but as charlie says they are commanding a premium still. the 4.2 still rols on though so i think its a case of waiting until either the 4.2 goes bang or prices weaken. that LC is intersting at that price, but not for me. No, no no, I'd like to see the 4.5 hold that premium price for as long as possible - but I guess it's really a question of perspective! It is interesting to note that you / one could have a new bZ4X EV at 0% finance, a RAV4 PHEV at 1.2% finance or a RAV4 HEV at 8.9% finance - which suggests that availability of the standard hybrid is quite low in comparison to demand ... It also suggests they can’t sell the BZ or the PHEV…. I would resort to a bicycle before paying 9% for a car… |
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Post by sich1 on Apr 13, 2024 16:20:12 GMT
we are coming at the issue from 2 diferent directiosn for sure.
give me a shout if your selling, age and model is spot on.
quite agree charlie, 9% on a 40k+ motor is madness.
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Post by philip42h on Apr 13, 2024 18:01:47 GMT
No, no no, I'd like to see the 4.5 hold that premium price for as long as possible - but I guess it's really a question of perspective! It is interesting to note that you / one could have a new bZ4X EV at 0% finance, a RAV4 PHEV at 1.2% finance or a RAV4 HEV at 8.9% finance - which suggests that availability of the standard hybrid is quite low in comparison to demand ... It also suggests they can’t sell the BZ or the PHEV…. I would resort to a bicycle before paying 9% for a car… I can understand that Toyota may have missed the mark with the bZ4X - the spec doesn't really excite in comparison to the competition. The RAV4 PHEV is simply a better car than the HEV and the price difference isn't that great now either. Added to that, the PHEV should be in greater demand as a company car due to the tax advantages, so I'm finding that harder to understand why it isn't selling better - maybe Toyota has simply got the grade structure wrong ... ? |
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Post by charliefarlie on Apr 13, 2024 18:26:01 GMT
It also suggests they can’t sell the BZ or the PHEV…. I would resort to a bicycle before paying 9% for a car… I can understand that Toyota may have missed the mark with the bZ4X - the spec doesn't really excite in comparison to the competition. The RAV4 PHEV is simply a better car than the HEV and the price difference isn't that great now either. Added to that, the PHEV should be in greater demand as a company car due to the tax advantages, so I'm finding that harder to understand why it isn't selling better - maybe Toyota has simply got the grade structure wrong ... ? A new RAV4 is now pretty much out of the price range of most working folk…. I think that’s why they’re not shifting…. I genuinely think car prices at least near new car prices are falling. Of course those that bought while prices were at the peak won’t like or want to accept that so maybe they’re hanging onto what they’ve got or simply cant afford to sell meaning less late cars about, There are an awful lot of manufacturers and there dealers finding themselves unable to shift new cars especially full electric. We all knew the government were going to have to move the insane 2025. date and they did to 2030 and they or whichever clowns get in next will shift it again. I think buyers are cautious as electric cars seem out of popularity likely because of that date change. Does the PHEV car still have the self charging element ? So self charging with the option to add more electric drive by plugging in ? |
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Post by davrav on Apr 13, 2024 19:15:35 GMT
The PHEV has a battery that can be charged by plugging in. The charged motive battery will give a limited range of fully electric drive - say 30 miles or so. Once the motive battery charge drops to a pre-detrmined level the ICE engine will take over. The motive battery is never allowed to fall to a fully discharged state so there is always a reserve for manoeuvering and slow speed drive.
The drive management system will 'harvest' charge through induction braking, coasting and also through use of the ICE.
So long as there is sufficient charge, if one puts one's foot down, drive can come from both the electric motor and the ICE.
The switching betweeen electric drive and ICE or combined is seamless.
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Post by philip42h on Apr 13, 2024 19:32:26 GMT
I can understand that Toyota may have missed the mark with the bZ4X - the spec doesn't really excite in comparison to the competition. The RAV4 PHEV is simply a better car than the HEV and the price difference isn't that great now either. Added to that, the PHEV should be in greater demand as a company car due to the tax advantages, so I'm finding that harder to understand why it isn't selling better - maybe Toyota has simply got the grade structure wrong ... ? A new RAV4 is now pretty much out of the price range of most working folk…. I think that’s why they’re not shifting…. I genuinely think car prices at least near new car prices are falling. Of course those that bought while prices were at the peak won’t like or want to accept that so maybe they’re hanging onto what they’ve got or simply cant afford to sell meaning less late cars about, There are an awful lot of manufacturers and there dealers finding themselves unable to shift new cars especially full electric. We all knew the government were going to have to move the insane 2025. date and they did to 2030 and they or whichever clowns get in next will shift it again. I think buyers are cautious as electric cars seem out of popularity likely because of that date change. Does the PHEV car still have the self charging element ? So self charging with the option to add more electric drive by plugging in ? Yes - exactly that. The RAV4 PHEV is a self-charging hybrid - exactly the same as the HEV - but with a larger traction battery giving it a pure EV range of around 50 miles. Which means that the average commuter can charge it overnight and complete a daily commute without necessarily burning any fuel at all. Once the traction battery is exhausted it behaves pretty much exactly as the self-charging HEV. |
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Post by clarki on Apr 13, 2024 20:22:29 GMT
I can understand that Toyota may have missed the mark with the bZ4X - the spec doesn't really excite in comparison to the competition. The RAV4 PHEV is simply a better car than the HEV and the price difference isn't that great now either. Added to that, the PHEV should be in greater demand as a company car due to the tax advantages, so I'm finding that harder to understand why it isn't selling better - maybe Toyota has simply got the grade structure wrong ... ? A new RAV4 is now pretty much out of the price range of most working folk…. I think that’s why they’re not shifting…. I genuinely think car prices at least near new car prices are falling. Of course those that bought while prices were at the peak won’t like or want to accept that so maybe they’re hanging onto what they’ve got or simply cant afford to sell meaning less late cars about, There are an awful lot of manufacturers and there dealers finding themselves unable to shift new cars especially full electric. We all knew the government were going to have to move the insane 2025. date and they did to 2030 and they or whichever clowns get in next will shift it again. I think buyers are cautious as electric cars seem out of popularity likely because of that date change. Does the PHEV car still have the self charging element ? So self charging with the option to add more electric drive by plugging in ? I think the RAV4s problem is not that people can’t afford it, more that for the same monthly you can get a premium badge vehicle. We had the bZ4x for 24 hours - neither of us thought it was any good, and it’s definitely not premium. I can only see the EV date going back further too. We’re enjoying the EV experience though. Very easy to drive and charging at home and work is easy. Haven’t, and unlikely to, use public chargers. Bonkers fast in a straight line. An ICE car doesn’t stand a chance. 0-100mph in 7.9s 😳 |
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Post by charliefarlie on Apr 13, 2024 21:00:52 GMT
A new RAV4 is now pretty much out of the price range of most working folk…. I think that’s why they’re not shifting…. I genuinely think car prices at least near new car prices are falling. Of course those that bought while prices were at the peak won’t like or want to accept that so maybe they’re hanging onto what they’ve got or simply cant afford to sell meaning less late cars about, There are an awful lot of manufacturers and there dealers finding themselves unable to shift new cars especially full electric. We all knew the government were going to have to move the insane 2025. date and they did to 2030 and they or whichever clowns get in next will shift it again. I think buyers are cautious as electric cars seem out of popularity likely because of that date change. Does the PHEV car still have the self charging element ? So self charging with the option to add more electric drive by plugging in ? I think the RAV4s problem is not that people can’t afford it, more that for the same monthly you can get a premium badge vehicle. We had the bZ4x for 24 hours - neither of us thought it was any good, and it’s definitely not premium. I can only see the EV date going back further too. We’re enjoying the EV experience though. Very easy to drive and charging at home and work is easy. Haven’t, and unlikely to, use public chargers. Bonkers fast in a straight line. An ICE car doesn’t stand a chance. 0-100mph in 7.9s 😳 My son has a Tesla Twin motor. It’s the fastest thing I’ve ever driven. 60 in 3.2. But it’s a soulless drive. No nice dials just a screen sat in its dash like a telly in Curry’s. Compared to his previous fashion Hondas it’s …… Well lest put it this way if they were 10K I wouldn’t want one. The Volvo looks like a fridge… Hyundai have an electric car that’s almost impossible to work out which is the front and which is the back.I’ve had both luxury and fast cars most of which had character… That’s been dialled out of cars. I think I’ve lived through possibly the best car years. They’re coming to an end now though… |
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Post by sich1 on Apr 14, 2024 8:49:16 GMT
will we see the equivalent of the North American RAV Prime? that will be even more £?. maybe they put that tech in the UK Lexus vehicles.....5.4sec to 60 ! rav4 prime |
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