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Post by charliefarlie on Jan 25, 2024 12:19:24 GMT
Looking at the Yaris hybrid and have stumbled on a question about the warranty periods. As far as Im aware Toyota's have always had a 5 year warranty. The internet suggests that the Yaris model year from 2020 on has 3 years . I realise the warranty can be extended but thats not what Ive come to expect from Toyota.. As Im looking at a car in the 2022 range that means warranty will be almost up..
There is a lot of conflicting info on how much of the time the car runs on the EV side. Ive seen it said very little and also as much as 80% of the time. I suspect it somewhere in between. Is the Yaris a mild hybrid? I read that there are different generations of the hybrid system but have no idea which generation a car of 22 plate vintage is. Im also aware that there is a revision due shortly. I dont want to buy into an outgoing generation if the revision gives more especially if its nearly out of warranty. Late low mileage examples arent far off the price of when they were new. Another factor I have to look at. Cheers .
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Post by philip42h on Jan 25, 2024 13:17:47 GMT
Toyotas have NEVER had a 5 year warranty. Prior to 1st June 2021 and the introduction of the Relax warranty scheme, our cars benefitted from a 3 year manufacturer's warranty plus 2 years worth on extended warranty paid for by Toyota UK. We were then able to extend the extended warranty up to around 10 or 11 years.
After 1st June 2021 Toyotas still come with a 3 year manufacturer's warranty after which owners who have their cars serviced at a Toyota dealer benefit from a 12 month additional warranty. This is renewed at each service up to 10 years.
The manufacturer's warranty is more comprehensive than the extended warranty which in turn is more comprehensive than the additional warranty - but, I guess, you get what you pay for ...
As far as EV running is concerned, the situation can be confusing. In truth Toyota hybrids have zero EV range (unless you have a PHEV) - all motive power comes from burning petrol. In practice the car may well travel with the engine off - so notionally in EV mode - for about 50% of the time. More if you are basically going down hill, less if you are climbing a mountain or burning rubber down the motorway. Basically it is something to not be concerned about at all - it's just part of the overall economy equation that is largely managed by one's right foot.
Oh and, the Yaris is a full or self-charging hybrid ...
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Post by charliefarlie on Jan 25, 2024 13:57:20 GMT
Toyotas have NEVER had a 5 year warranty. Prior to 1st June 2021 and the introduction of the Relax warranty scheme, our cars benefitted from a 3 year manufacturer's warranty plus 2 years worth on extended warranty paid for by Toyota UK. We were then able to extend the extended warranty up to around 10 or 11 years. After 1st June 2021 Toyotas still come with a 3 year manufacturer's warranty after which owners who have their cars serviced at a Toyota dealer benefit from a 12 month additional warranty. This is renewed at each service up to 10 years. The manufacturer's warranty is more comprehensive than the extended warranty which in turn is more comprehensive than the additional warranty - but, I guess, you get what you pay for ... As far as EV running is concerned, the situation can be confusing. In truth Toyota hybrids have zero EV range (unless you have a PHEV) - all motive power comes from burning petrol. In practice the car may well travel with the engine off - so notionally in EV mode - for about 50% of the time. More if you are basically going down hill, less if you are climbing a mountain or burning rubber down the motorway. Basically it is something to not be concerned about at all - it's just part of the overall economy equation that is largely managed by one's right foot. Oh and, the Yaris is a full or self-charging hybrid ... Ok thanks for that . I accept our two current Toyotas are old now but we bought them both under the impression that they had 5 year warranties as it says in the book pack and they even put stickers on the rear screens saying 5 year warranty. To be fair other than a rear hatch seal on the IQ we never got to test the warranty’s within either 3 or 5 years . So it’s changed now if only by implication? I’m less inclined to buy a 2 year old car if it only has one years warranty left . Especially as it’s newer technology that could be expensive though to be fair I’m really just being a bit wary of the battery ( not the starter battery) but I haven’t heard of one failing on a Toyota …. So for me a new car is likely a better prospect given how expensive a used two year old car can be .. Residuals are very high which is a good thing but it would be so so easy to end up with a used car owing much the same money as a new one 🤙🤙 |
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Post by firemac on Jan 25, 2024 14:09:07 GMT
Toyotas have NEVER had a 5 year warranty. Prior to 1st June 2021 and the introduction of the Relax warranty scheme, our cars benefitted from a 3 year manufacturer's warranty plus 2 years worth on extended warranty paid for by Toyota UK. We were then able to extend the extended warranty up to around 10 or 11 years. After 1st June 2021 Toyotas still come with a 3 year manufacturer's warranty after which owners who have their cars serviced at a Toyota dealer benefit from a 12 month additional warranty. This is renewed at each service up to 10 years. The manufacturer's warranty is more comprehensive than the extended warranty which in turn is more comprehensive than the additional warranty - but, I guess, you get what you pay for ... As far as EV running is concerned, the situation can be confusing. In truth Toyota hybrids have zero EV range (unless you have a PHEV) - all motive power comes from burning petrol. In practice the car may well travel with the engine off - so notionally in EV mode - for about 50% of the time. More if you are basically going down hill, less if you are climbing a mountain or burning rubber down the motorway. Basically it is something to not be concerned about at all - it's just part of the overall economy equation that is largely managed by one's right foot. Oh and, the Yaris is a full or self-charging hybrid ... Ok thanks for that . I accept our two current Toyotas are old now but we bought them both under the impression that they had 5 year warranties as it says in the book pack and they even put stickers on the rear screens saying 5 year warranty. To be fair other than a rear hatch seal on the IQ we never got to test the warranty’s within either 3 or 5 years . So it’s changed now if only by implication? I’m less inclined to buy a 2 year old car if it only has one years warranty left . Especially as it’s newer technology that could be expensive though to be fair I’m really just being a bit wary of the battery ( not the starter battery) but I haven’t heard of one failing on a Toyota …. So for me a new car is likely a better prospect given how expensive a used two year old car can be .. Residuals are very high which is a good thing but it would be so so easy to end up with a used car owing much the same money as a new one 🤙🤙 Toyota hybrids don’t have a starter battery, rather they use the electric motor (in reverse, I believe) to start the ICE as required. They do have a small 12 volt battery which is solely used to power up the various electrical systems ready for driving the car, i.e. it activates the “READY” indicator on the dash to tell you it’s okay to drive off. This small battery will also power the radio for example but only for a short time; if you want to listen to the radio or use the interior lights then you just leave the car switched on in EV Mode and it powers these systems from the traction battery. |
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Post by davidwilson on Jan 25, 2024 14:24:54 GMT
Have a read here www.toyota.co.uk/owners/toyota-warrantyIf it's the hybrid battery you're worried about it sounds like Toyota have thought of that. I would probably only buy a Toyota/Lexus or Honda. I'm not particularly interested in a Finance package so for me it comes down to buying the car I like and looking for a good warranty and good service package. I think Toyota are best for warranty and Honda best for the service plan on a new or nearly new car. The most important to me is the car. |
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Post by philip42h on Jan 25, 2024 14:26:51 GMT
The warranty on the traction battery extends for up to 15 years ... OK, it's all a bit new and different but there's absolutely nothing to worry about on that front. |
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Post by charliefarlie on Jan 25, 2024 14:27:32 GMT
Ok thanks for that . I accept our two current Toyotas are old now but we bought them both under the impression that they had 5 year warranties as it says in the book pack and they even put stickers on the rear screens saying 5 year warranty. To be fair other than a rear hatch seal on the IQ we never got to test the warranty’s within either 3 or 5 years . So it’s changed now if only by implication? I’m less inclined to buy a 2 year old car if it only has one years warranty left . Especially as it’s newer technology that could be expensive though to be fair I’m really just being a bit wary of the battery ( not the starter battery) but I haven’t heard of one failing on a Toyota …. So for me a new car is likely a better prospect given how expensive a used two year old car can be .. Residuals are very high which is a good thing but it would be so so easy to end up with a used car owing much the same money as a new one 🤙🤙 Toyota hybrids don’t have a starter battery, rather they use the electric motor (in reverse, I believe) to start the ICE as required. They do have a small 12 volt battery which is solely used to power up the various electrical systems ready for driving the car, i.e. it activates the “READY” indicator on the dash to tell you it’s okay to drive off. This small battery will also power the radio for example but only for a short time; if you want to listen to the radio or use the interior lights then you just leave the car switched on in EV Mode and it powers these systems from the traction battery. OK technically it’s not starter battery but without it the car …. Well doesn't start ? I’ve been reading up a bit about the batteries that Jase and Chris had to get changed . Mutlu or something changed to Yuassa ones . I read about a bloke whose wife was stranded 80 miles from home because yet another Mutlu failed . I my opinion the owners shouldn’t have to pay but I do understand it’s sometimes just easier. I may of course have it all completely wrong either way the battery I was talking about I think you call the traction battery . |
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Post by philip42h on Jan 25, 2024 14:36:12 GMT
You probably want to be looking at a 4th generation Yaris - XP210 from 2020 - or a Yaris Cross of the same vintage. So, if you are looking at 2 or 3 year old cars you should be fine. And that is the generation that is on sale today.
There is now a 5th generation hybrid system - in the likes of the latest C-HR etc. - but I'm not aware of any plans or dates for a next generation Yaris. 2020 is really quite recent ...
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Post by philip42h on Jan 25, 2024 14:44:36 GMT
Toyota hybrids don’t have a starter battery, rather they use the electric motor (in reverse, I believe) to start the ICE as required. They do have a small 12 volt battery which is solely used to power up the various electrical systems ready for driving the car, i.e. it activates the “READY” indicator on the dash to tell you it’s okay to drive off. This small battery will also power the radio for example but only for a short time; if you want to listen to the radio or use the interior lights then you just leave the car switched on in EV Mode and it powers these systems from the traction battery. OK technically it’s not starter battery but without it the car …. Well doesn't start ? I’ve been reading up a bit about the batteries that Jase and Chris had to get changed . Mutlu or something changed to Yuassa ones . I read about a bloke whose wife was stranded 80 miles from home because yet another Mutlu failed . I my opinion the owners shouldn’t have to pay but I do understand it’s sometimes just easier. I may of course have it all completely wrong either way the battery I was talking about I think you call the traction battery . OK, yes / no ... The traction battery operates at 300 - 400 V and powers the electric motors to drive the car along. The 12V auxiliary battery (formerly known as the starter battery) serves no purpose other than to keep the car 'alive' when switched off and to allow the owner to switch it back on again. It's a relatively low capacity battery and modern car electronics consume a fair amount of power doing nothing - security systems and all that - so they will run flat if the car is left standing for many weeks. There can be problems if the driver is 'dumb', the car is used very little so that the battery progressively runs down, the battery is of poor quality / duff or any combination of these. We've got a pair of hybrids and we've never had a single auxiliary battery issue ... |
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Post by charliefarlie on Jan 25, 2024 17:34:13 GMT
Have a read here www.toyota.co.uk/owners/toyota-warrantyIf it's the hybrid battery you're worried about it sounds like Toyota have thought of that. I would probably only buy a Toyota/Lexus or Honda. I'm not particularly interested in a Finance package so for me it comes down to buying the car I like and looking for a good warranty and good service package. I think Toyota are best for warranty and Honda best for the service plan on a new or nearly new car. The most important to me is the car. Thanks David. I’m not really worried I just want to at least try and make sure I buy the right car with a decent warranty and importantly to me one I understand.. I looked at the Jazz on the net today and it’s likely the best option for my wife as it’s quite a bit taller. Interiors look great it’s just the looks of the outside that I’m unsure about… But I haven’t seen one in the flesh. The car that wins the experts votes like Honest John Autocar etc is the Fiesta but it’s so bland on the outside. Like yourself I/We won’t take finance. We’d keep what we have rather than take that option. I really do think waiting for the revised model may just be the best overall choice. Full warranty plus the updated hybrid kit is pushing me towards that as I bet the difference in price may not be that much given the prices of the current year 22 on cars. 👍👍 |
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Post by charliefarlie on Jan 25, 2024 17:37:55 GMT
You probably want to be looking at a 4th generation Yaris - XP210 from 2020 - or a Yaris Cross of the same vintage. So, if you are looking at 2 or 3 year old cars you should be fine. And that is the generation that is on sale today. There is now a 5th generation hybrid system - in the likes of the latest C-HR etc. - but I'm not aware of any plans or dates for a next generation Yaris. 2020 is really quite recent ... Phillip the Yaris is due a minor facelift with new colours and a revised hybrid kit giving 15 or so more BHP…. It’s not the 15 horses it’s the updated kit that might be worth the wait…. |
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Post by philip42h on Jan 25, 2024 17:52:04 GMT
You probably want to be looking at a 4th generation Yaris - XP210 from 2020 - or a Yaris Cross of the same vintage. So, if you are looking at 2 or 3 year old cars you should be fine. And that is the generation that is on sale today. There is now a 5th generation hybrid system - in the likes of the latest C-HR etc. - but I'm not aware of any plans or dates for a next generation Yaris. 2020 is really quite recent ... Phillip the Yaris is due a minor facelift with new colours and a revised hybrid kit giving 15 or so more BHP…. It’s not the 15 horses it’s the updated kit that might be worth the wait…. Right you are ... indeed you are right - it's on sale now: - The Excel has the 4th generation hybrid transaxle (115 bhp) with the new Smart Connect media system
- The GR-Sport and Premiere Edition add the 5th generation hybrid transaxle (130 bhp)
I haven't been keeping up and wasn't expecting the introduction of the 5th generation transaxle.
I'd be interested in seeing the Yaris Cross with the 5th generation transaxle (but I suspect that will be reserved to the Lexus LBX for now) ...
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Post by davrav on Jan 25, 2024 18:08:27 GMT
What is the delivery lead time like on the latest Yaris versions?
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Post by philip42h on Jan 25, 2024 18:57:07 GMT
What is the delivery lead time like on the latest Yaris versions? From "the other place", recently, 2 months order to delivery ... |
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Post by jasehutch on Jan 25, 2024 18:59:32 GMT
Have you had a test drive yet Charlie ?
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