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Post by Mb2t on Feb 15, 2021 10:14:48 GMT
I was out with the Volvo XC90 using the W button which I guess does something to co-ordinate the AWD to suit slippy roads. And it performed well. However I remember my old 4.1 Rav with the wide tyres being much more nimble. And the stopping distance of a light car is perhaps shorter than a 2 ton hulk....depending if you are going down hills of course! The weight certainly a factor, my old disco was great in the snow, but down hill on an icy road was a bit scary. Remember - 4X4 might help you start moving better, but stopping is exactly the same as any other car with this weight... |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 15, 2021 18:01:34 GMT
The weight certainly a factor, my old disco was great in the snow, but down hill on an icy road was a bit scary. Remember - 4X4 might help you start moving better, but stopping is exactly the same as any other car with this weight... AWD does have a slight advantage when slowing on ice or snow from all wheel engine braking. 👍👍 |
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Post by clarki on Feb 16, 2021 21:35:24 GMT
Its easy...
...POWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!
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Post by anchorman on Feb 17, 2021 12:22:45 GMT
This is quite interesting for anyone that thinks AWD is better than winter tyres on a FWD. There’s a reason why every country in Europe mandates them except for our stubborn little island.
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Post by philip42h on Feb 17, 2021 13:15:31 GMT
This is quite interesting for anyone that thinks AWD is better than winter tyres on a FWD. There’s a reason why every country in Europe mandates them except for our stubborn little island. I tend to find these types of comparison silly / irritating - which is better a fork or a banana? - but this particular one does at least get to the conclusion that, if you really want to drive around on an indoor ski-slope, you really want a 4wd with winter rubber ...  The danger of these tests is that folk may conclude that winter tyres are 'better' than AWD ... A 4wd will inevitably provide around twice as much traction as a 2wd for any given set of rubber. If you want to go out and about in snow and icy conditions you need rubber that is designed for those conditions - and, yes, our silly little island should get with the programme and mandate that. You don't need winter tyres most of the time, but when you do, you do and you really shouldn't take the car out unless it is properly equipped. Snow and ice in winter is hardly a surprise! |
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Post by clarki on Feb 17, 2021 14:21:36 GMT
This is quite interesting for anyone that thinks AWD is better than winter tyres on a FWD. There’s a reason why every country in Europe mandates them except for our stubborn little island. TBH ive never been driving in winter and thought; you know what...I really need a different set of tyres. |
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Post by three5 on Feb 17, 2021 15:00:59 GMT
This is quite interesting for anyone that thinks AWD is better than winter tyres on a FWD. There’s a reason why every country in Europe mandates them except for our stubborn little island. I'd have really valued a test with an "all seasons" tyre like the Cross Climates, I'm still a two-sets-of-wheels-man and would take some persuading that all seasons tyres perform the same as genuine winter tyres. |
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Post by philip42h on Feb 17, 2021 16:24:09 GMT
This is quite interesting for anyone that thinks AWD is better than winter tyres on a FWD. There’s a reason why every country in Europe mandates them except for our stubborn little island. I'd have really valued a test with an "all seasons" tyre like the Cross Climates, I'm still a two-sets-of-wheels-man and would take some persuading that all seasons tyres perform the same as genuine winter tyres. I believe that I have seen those sort of tests - winter vs all season ... But I'm very happy on all season tyres - Cross Climates to be precise but I'm sure there are others that are equally good or, these days, even better. Any of the tyres with the "3 peak mountain and snowflake" certification are certified to the same standard as dedicated cold weather tyres and that's more than good enough for me - I could drive through that Germany, say, in the depths of winter without falling foul of the law. If you are in the northern wastes and do loads of winter miles then having two sets of tyres may well still be sensible. Otherwise, having two sets is just a waste of time and money - your tyres will expire on a time basis before they actually wear out. Much better to have newer all season rubber than time expired cold weather rubber ... Edit: Oh, and ...  While summer tyres may well be best in summer and winter tyres may well be best in winter, all season tyres win hands down in spring and autumn - which are the seasons we have for over 80% of the year! |
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Post by philip42h on Feb 17, 2021 17:10:46 GMT
This test looks at "the best" all season tyres including one summer and one winter tyre as a reference: I think he does a reasonable job of the comparison so that you can make-up your own mind ... (it's 25 minutes long) Or see here for a summary of the results ... |
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Post by three5 on Feb 17, 2021 20:17:04 GMT
This test looks at "the best" all season tyres including one summer and one winter tyre as a reference: I think he does a reasonable job of the comparison so that you can make-up your own mind ... (it's 25 minutes long) Or see here for a summary of the results ... Thanks for the link Phillip. The summary provides a lot of useful information. They are saying that the next tests that they do will include wear as a parameter - I'll look forward to that! |
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Post by charliefarlie on Feb 17, 2021 21:37:00 GMT
This is quite interesting for anyone that thinks AWD is better than winter tyres on a FWD. There’s a reason why every country in Europe mandates them except for our stubborn little island. I'd have really valued a test with an "all seasons" tyre like the Cross Climates, I'm still a two-sets-of-wheels-man and would take some persuading that all seasons tyres perform the same as genuine winter tyres. Best tyres I’ve ever driven on snow were Vredestien full winter tyres. Lived in Scotland and had a T180... Ive driven my current RAV4 on the Vredestien all seasons which are also excellent but not as good as the full Monty winters. I think all seasons are a great .......I early said compromise but it’s hardly that.... I ran the Vredestien Wintracs winter and summer and got 40 K miles out of them. I reckon these Quatrac all seasons might just about do 35K miles. I will try the Mitchelins next time .  |
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