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Post by philip42h on Dec 16, 2021 10:31:03 GMT
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Post by unclebob on Dec 16, 2021 10:54:09 GMT
"Their move follows a decision by governing body the FIA to conduct a "detailed analysis" of the end of the race and an admission it was "tarnishing" Formula 1's image." Going by that statement the FIA / Race director know they made the wrong call with the safety car, and not letting all the unlapped cars pass. The FIA also need to stop team bosses interfering with race controls decisions.
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Post by firemac on Dec 16, 2021 11:54:26 GMT
"Their move follows a decision by governing body the FIA to conduct a "detailed analysis" of the end of the race and an admission it was "tarnishing" Formula 1's image." Going by that statement the FIA / Race director know they made the wrong call with the safety car, and not letting all the unlapped cars pass. The FIA also need to stop team bosses interfering with race controls decisions. What a bloody pantomime. Just as well it’s Christmas!😂
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Post by Hoovie on Dec 16, 2021 12:16:16 GMT
You think they admitted fault? "The FIA's primary responsibility at every event is to ensure the safety of everyone involved and the integrity of the sport.
The circumstances surrounding the use of the Safety Car following the incident of driver Nicholas Latifi, and the related communications between the FIA Race Direction team and the Formula One teams, have notably generated significant misunderstanding and reactions from Formula One teams, driver and fans."
I would say they are saying the fault is with the Teams, Drivers and Fans (basically everyone BAR the FIA) jumping to a conclusion that the Race Director didn't follow FIA rules, and then FIA themselves are guilty of nothing except maybe not having the rules more clearly understood. That is how I read it (internally, they know they made a massive balls-up obviously and need to change multiple things but one thing they won't - and not sure if the FIA ever has - is admit blame).
The Mercedes Appeal would have gone nowhere as the court of arbitration that would hear the case is fully appointed by the FIA and they are not going to judge against themselves (and F1 teams have signed away any rights to be heard independantly also so the only alternative they have is to leave the sport if they are unhappy)
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Post by unclebob on Dec 16, 2021 12:47:04 GMT
Just typed into Google "sack Michael masi" and some reports say he’s fighting for his job…yet reading between the lines who would the FIA have available to replace him with ? Other chat ..he needs to have a a second in command on major decisions. Ross brawn as said he will stop communication between race director and team bosses, as it’s putting unfair pressure on Masi. Crossed my mind Martin Brundle would make a good race director 🤔
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Post by Hoovie on Dec 16, 2021 13:23:06 GMT
Just typed into Google "sack Michael masi" and some reports say he’s fighting for his job…yet reading between the lines who would the FIA have available to replace him with ? Other chat ..he needs to have a a second in command on major decisions. Ross brawn as said he will stop communication between race director and team bosses, as it’s putting unfair pressure on Masi. Crossed my mind Martin Brundle would make a good race director 🤔 You can be sure the Race Director is not doing a good job when they get talked about after the race (bit like a football match... who remembers the referee who did the right calls?). Michael Masi is discussed Race after Race. Abu Dhabi was just the latest and greatest mess-up in a whole series of them. Within the current "names" in the F1 world (and I think someone who has spent a fair old time in F1 would be needed), Ross Brawn himself could be a good option as the 'clark of the course'. He understands the pressures the job has, is not the kind to bow under the pressure of the job, and knows enough about how the cars work to understand the consequences and fairness of penalties and actions.
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Post by three5 on Dec 16, 2021 13:31:01 GMT
Just typed into Google "sack Michael masi" and some reports say he’s fighting for his job…yet reading between the lines who would the FIA have available to replace him with ? Other chat ..he needs to have a a second in command on major decisions. Ross brawn as said he will stop communication between race director and team bosses, as it’s putting unfair pressure on Masi. Crossed my mind Martin Brundle would make a good race director 🤔 You can be sure the Race Director is not doing a good job when they get talked about after the race (bit like a football match... who remembers the referee who did the right calls?). Michael Masi is discussed Race after Race. Abu Dhabi was just the latest and greatest mess-up in a whole series of them. Within the current "names" in the F1 world (and I think someone who has spent a fair old time in F1 would be needed), Ross Brawn himself could be a good option as the 'clark of the course'. He understands the pressures the job has, is not the kind to bow under the pressure of the job, and knows enough about how the cars work to understand the consequences and fairness of penalties and actions. He'd appeal to me as well for exactly the reasons that you specify David. I think the problem might be the difference in salaries between his present job with Liberty Media and that for Masi's job
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Post by philip42h on Dec 16, 2021 14:12:21 GMT
You think they admitted fault? "The FIA's primary responsibility at every event is to ensure the safety of everyone involved and the integrity of the sport.
The circumstances surrounding the use of the Safety Car following the incident of driver Nicholas Latifi, and the related communications between the FIA Race Direction team and the Formula One teams, have notably generated significant misunderstanding and reactions from Formula One teams, driver and fans."
I would say they are saying the fault is with the Teams, Drivers and Fans (basically everyone BAR the FIA) jumping to a conclusion that the Race Director didn't follow FIA rules, and then FIA themselves are guilty of nothing except maybe not having the rules more clearly understood. That is how I read it (internally, they know they made a massive balls-up obviously and need to change multiple things but one thing they won't - and not sure if the FIA ever has - is admit blame).
The Mercedes Appeal would have gone nowhere as the court of arbitration that would hear the case is fully appointed by the FIA and they are not going to judge against themselves (and F1 teams have signed away any rights to be heard independantly also so the only alternative they have is to leave the sport if they are unhappy)
The reported quote from Mercedes reads: As you say the "Mercedes Appeal would have gone nowhere" and all they would gain would be a reputation as sore losers ... I'd like to see rules tidied up around: - The handling of incidents, Yellow / Red flags, safety cars and restarts to reduce the freedom of the race director to make-up the rules on the hoof and to ensure that the teams can plan as effectively as possible. An incident towards the beginning of a race isn't so much of an issue - all teams have a decent chance of recovering; and incident towards the end significantly disadvantages the race leader.
- "Elbows in" and side-by-side racing. There have been many incidents this year where one or other driver has effectively run another off the track. There are already rules about not weaving to block an overtake and about 'giving the other driver room' - I'd like them tidied up and clarified to better allow drivers to race side-by-side in (relative) safety.
OK, I may not get what I want, and, if I don't, I may not bother to follow F1 next year - it's their sport and my choice.
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Post by Hoovie on Dec 16, 2021 19:33:58 GMT
It could be a good opportunity to really sort out some stuff which ends up too variable race by race. I think it was Rosberg who has been suggesting automatic power drops for off-track excursions, which is an interesting idea. (The Paul Ricard Circuit has a manual version of that in a way, with all those different coloured surfaces being different grip levels which are meant to disuade driving on?). End of the day, either of the drivers would have been justifiable WDC, just a shame it was decided in such a messy way, and Mercedes got their 8th Constructors Championship, which is meant to be the main goal of the teams supposedly, so at least both main parties achieved something
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Post by three5 on Dec 16, 2021 20:10:03 GMT
It could be a good opportunity to really sort out some stuff which ends up too variable race by race. I think it was Rosberg who has been suggesting automatic power drops for off-track excursions, which is an interesting idea. (The Paul Ricard Circuit has a manual version of that in a way, with all those different coloured surfaces being different grip levels which are meant to disuade driving on?). End of the day, either of the drivers would have been justifiable WDC, just a shame it was decided in such a messy way, and Mercedes got their 8th Constructors Championship, which is meant to be the main goal of the teams supposedly, so at least both main parties achieved something It's good to hear that the likes of Rosberg are thinking about the effectiveness of the existing rules, but I can see a snag to his proposal: what will happen if one driver fails to leave another one enough room so that they have an "excursion"? Could be a good tactic for the more aggressive drivers!
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Post by charliefarlie on Dec 16, 2021 21:26:14 GMT
Re the rules there are some very good ideas and observations here already but what I would really like to see is more and equal consistency in applying them. 👍👍
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Post by Hoovie on Dec 17, 2021 18:32:33 GMT
Lewis and Toto didn't attend the awards ceremony last night. The following, as reported by the BBC, just shows how tone-deaf and arrogant the FIA are .... Formula 1 rules dictate that the top three drivers in the championship must attend.
"If there is any breach, there is no forgiveness in this," Ben Sulayem [new FIA President] said.
Asked to clarify whether he was saying Hamilton would be penalised for not attending the gala, he said: "Forgiveness is always there. But rules are rules."To use the phrase " but rules are rules" after Sunday is just incredible He's going to get some stick in the media and on the socials after that!
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Post by davrav on Dec 17, 2021 18:43:07 GMT
You couldn't make it up Oh, wait, that's exactly what the FIA do
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Post by unclebob on Dec 17, 2021 19:01:41 GMT
Let’s hope the new guy taking over the FIA ..kicks all the dead wood out !
"Mohammed Ben Sulayem has been elected to succeed Jean Todt as president of the FIA, with the Frenchman having left after his third term in office.
Ben Sulayem, a 14-time Middle East Rally champion, has served as a vice president in the organisation since 2008 and has sat on the World Motorsport Council for the last 13 years.
He beat current deputy president Graham Stoker to the role with a reported 62% of the vote at the meeting of the FIA General Assembly on Friday morning, having announced his candidacy earlier in the year."
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Post by unclebob on Dec 19, 2021 17:23:58 GMT
BREAKING NEWS!! LEWIS HAMILTON TO RETIRE!! It has been reported he wishes to leave F1 to persue a career in music, However his request to join the group, Musical Youth, was rejected on the basis that he could not Pass the Dutchie on the Left Hand Side!!
😁😁
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