|
|
Post by philip42h on Oct 18, 2020 14:31:53 GMT
While I recall that we'd agreed to 'avoid' political debate -  - it wouldn't hurt to get the arithmetic correct. Someone on minimum wage - let's say a single person aged 27 - working a 40 hour week would earn around £1,500 per month. If their employer's business was forced to close they would, of course, receive 2/3rds pay from the government / state via their employer - so around £1,000 per month. That much doesn't sound too good. But they would also be entitled to claim Universal Credit - the Universal Credit claims process is already updated to reflect this exact situation - and via Universal Credit they would receive an additional £495 per month. So, to be clear, someone on minimum wage working a 40 hour week would earn around £1,500 per month; under Tier 3 restrictions when their employer's business is required to close they would receive around £1,495 per month from the state / government; and net shortfall of £5 per month ... Unless he is really thick, Burham must know this; I rather doubt that he is really thick so there must be another explanation for his posturing ...  not strictly political debate and hard to avoid given the topic. I make that 40 hour x 4 loser to 1400 quid and that’s before any stoppages and travel. Given the average rent or mortgage that isn’t a lot of coin .... Take away a third of that and it’s going to be extremely tight. Running a car for example on the full amount must take some doing. Being picky, it's actually 40 hours x 52 weeks / 12 months which is what gets the total to around £1,500. And 'yes', its bu88er all - neither of us would like to live on that, but that's the reality of where they are today. If they go into a Tier 3 'lockdown' they'll lose only £5 per month - but they won't need to run the car or catch the bus to go to work so in practice they could actually be better off. People on minimum wage will be 'just fine' - or, at least, no worse off than they were before. Folk higher up the wage scale will be hit harder because the won't be treated so kindly by the benefits system and they will, probably, have greater financial commitments ... |
|
|
|
Post by charliefarlie on Oct 18, 2020 15:58:55 GMT
not strictly political debate and hard to avoid given the topic. I make that 40 hour x 4 loser to 1400 quid and that’s before any stoppages and travel. Given the average rent or mortgage that isn’t a lot of coin .... Take away a third of that and it’s going to be extremely tight. Running a car for example on the full amount must take some doing. Being picky, it's actually 40 hours x 52 weeks / 12 months which is what gets the total to around £1,500. And 'yes', its bu88er all - neither of us would like to live on that, but that's the reality of where they are today. If they go into a Tier 3 'lockdown' they'll lose only £5 per month - but they won't need to run the car or catch the bus to go to work so in practice they could actually be better off. People on minimum wage will be 'just fine' - or, at least, no worse off than they were before. Folk higher up the wage scale will be hit harder because the won't be treated so kindly by the benefits system and they will, probably, have greater financial commitments ... I’m not clever with numbers though I accept your 52 week argument but if they only get two thirds how can they only loose 5 quid a month  That doesent add up. If they have cars on the drip which most seem to do now then they will still have to pay for them as they’ve used the “ holiday from paying for stuff” last time. I think MNW is cruel and degrading. It’s truly paying peanuts ... I genuinely feel for those who are paid so little and to think they may loose a third of bugger all is just nasty. |
|
|
|
Post by philip42h on Oct 18, 2020 16:45:50 GMT
I’m not clever with numbers though I accept your 52 week argument but if they only get two thirds how can they only loose 5 quid a month  That doesent add up. OK ... they were earning £1,500 per month. They lose one third (£500) and so get only two thirds = £1,000. They are now able to claim Universal Credit which will pay £495 a month - giving them a total monthly income of £1,495 to live on. While that isn't much, they are only £5 a month worse of than when they were working. The government really is looking after the least well off pretty well ... and in due course you and I, our children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for their largesse (generosity). |
|
|
|
Post by charliefarlie on Oct 18, 2020 17:25:16 GMT
I’m not clever with numbers though I accept your 52 week argument but if they only get two thirds how can they only loose 5 quid a month That doesent add up. OK ... they were earning £1,500 per month. They lose one third (£500) and so get only two thirds = £1,000. They are now able to claim Universal Credit which will pay £495 a month - giving them a total monthly income of £1,495 to live on. While that isn't much, they are only £5 a month worse of than when they were working. The government really is looking after the least well off pretty well ... and in due course you and I, our children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for their largesse (generosity). Ok fair dos I didn’t nor never will understand universal credit or any other types of benifits for that matter. Though retired ( Early) I still pay a lot of money in taxes which peeves my a bit and accept we the tax payers are going to foot the bill for these unusual times. |
|
|
|
Post by widge on Oct 18, 2020 18:26:41 GMT
I’m not clever with numbers though I accept your 52 week argument but if they only get two thirds how can they only loose 5 quid a month That doesent add up. OK ... they were earning £1,500 per month. They lose one third (£500) and so get only two thirds = £1,000. They are now able to claim Universal Credit which will pay £495 a month - giving them a total monthly income of £1,495 to live on. While that isn't much, they are only £5 a month worse of than when they were working. The government really is looking after the least well off pretty well ... and in due course you and I, our children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for their largesse (generosity). But they are also looking after themselves a lot better £3300/year pay rise from next year! |
|
|
|
Post by phaeton on Oct 20, 2020 19:37:47 GMT
Still think it stinks playing 'bluff' with people's lives for political gains, they both should be ashamed of themselves.
|
|
|
|
Post by sich1 on Oct 20, 2020 20:29:25 GMT
if one sees another can do it they will all hold out !!
should have locked em down when he started moaning, no ifs, no buts.suck it up!!
|
|
|
|
Post by bothwellbuyer on Oct 22, 2020 21:20:18 GMT
I am thinking of starting a crowd funding campaign to support the ideals of some guy called fawkes. Anyone interested?
|
|
|
|
Post by three5 on Oct 25, 2020 9:51:55 GMT
I am thinking of starting a crowd funding campaign to support the ideals of some guy called fawkes. Anyone interested? I have to admit to writing his name in ( and putting my cross by it ) at the bottom of the ballot form at the last election. So that's two of us! But to be fair, I wouldn't want the PM's job at the moment.
|
|
|
|
Post by widge on Oct 25, 2020 13:06:46 GMT
Strange but apparently even if you are a 3 tier lockdown, there is nothing in the rules to stop you getting on a plane and flying to France as long as you don't break any rules getting to the airport
|
|
|
|
Post by charliefarlie on Oct 25, 2020 13:20:13 GMT
Still think it stinks playing 'bluff' with people's lives for political gains, they both should be ashamed of themselves.
Politicians feel no shame. They are nothing but a self centred selfish bunch of pig ignorant school boys who have never remotely even been close to poverty. I really genuinely do not have the words to describe how I feel about them. |
|
|
|
Post by philip42h on Oct 25, 2020 16:08:37 GMT
Strange but apparently even if you are a 3 tier lockdown, there is nothing in the rules to stop you getting on a plane and flying to France as long as you don't break any rules getting to the airport Surprisingly, yes, that appears to be true ... It wouldn't work for me because I am in Wales and we have no international airport within the county / region - so I am simply banned from travelling to a useful point of departure. Folk in Liverpool (tier 3) can presumably travel to John Lennon Airport - assuming that is a essential journey - and go from there. But I suspect that the authorities may well question the necessity of such a journey. And under tier 3 you certainly shouldn't travel outside the region but it's a case of being strongly advised not to rather than being legally not allowed to. Common sense demands that you don't travel but ... When we went to France in late July, we had to self certify that we were "Covid-free" - the French authorities appear to have dropped that requirement though you are on your honour not to travel if you have Covid symptoms or have been in contact with someone with Coronavirus. So, in effect, the same as before without the paper work. Once in France you are subject to local restrictions including any relevant curfew - but long distance travel is one of the things accepted as valid reason for travel during curfew hours ...  And, of course, upon your return you will need to self-isolate / quarantine for 14 days ... Edit: I really should have checked before posting but there are no flights operating between John Lennon and France; but there are plenty of flights into and out of Manchester (also tier 3)! |
|
|
|
Post by bothwellbuyer on Oct 25, 2020 18:46:47 GMT
I am thinking of starting a crowd funding campaign to support the ideals of some guy called fawkes. Anyone interested? I have to admit to writing his name in ( and putting my cross by it ) at the bottom of the ballot form at the last election. So that's two of us! But to be fair, I wouldn't want the PM's job at the moment.
Now, don't be missing an opportunity to give your pals squillions of pounds, as long as they set up a limited company for £100 and buy a rowing boat to transport goods across the Channel. |
|
|
|
Post by widge on Oct 25, 2020 22:46:26 GMT
Strange but apparently even if you are a 3 tier lockdown, there is nothing in the rules to stop you getting on a plane and flying to France as long as you don't break any rules getting to the airport Surprisingly, yes, that appears to be true ... It wouldn't work for me because I am in Wales and we have no international airport within the county / region - so I am simply banned from travelling to a useful point of departure. Folk in Liverpool (tier 3) can presumably travel to John Lennon Airport - assuming that is a essential journey - and go from there. But I suspect that the authorities may well question the necessity of such a journey. And under tier 3 you certainly shouldn't travel outside the region but it's a case of being strongly advised not to rather than being legally not allowed to. Common sense demands that you don't travel but ... When we went to France in late July, we had to self certify that we were "Covid-free" - the French authorities appear to have dropped that requirement though you are on your honour not to travel if you have Covid symptoms or have been in contact with someone with Coronavirus. So, in effect, the same as before without the paper work. Once in France you are subject to local restrictions including any relevant curfew - but long distance travel is one of the things accepted as valid reason for travel during curfew hours ... And, of course, upon your return you will need to self-isolate / quarantine for 14 days ... Edit: I really should have checked before posting but there are no flights operating between John Lennon and France; but there are plenty of flights into and out of Manchester (also tier 3)! Yep we have a 9PM to 6AM curfew here in Herault, we were one of the lowest departments until the holiday season started, then so many visitors from Holland Germany as well as other French departments we are now a red zone, luckily most of the problem is on the coast and Montpellier although I have heard of a few cases locally.
We are rarely out after 9pm anyway apart for a walk up the road for a last bit of fresh air and look at the stars before bed and as we are 2.5 km up a dead end road the chances of meeting any police are about a million to one.
|
|
|
|
Post by phaeton on Oct 27, 2020 14:17:57 GMT
Common sense demands that you don't travel but ...
Did that not go out with the development of Faecesbook?
|
|
That doesent add up. 
