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Post by bigkev on Mar 7, 2020 22:36:04 GMT
Not STRICTLY true, Chris......one needs to make absolutely sure that ignition is AFF whilst plugging in and/or removing OBD Readificators. Cheers Kev! I have to say that I've never tried it any other way on the RAV but my brothers Subaru dosen't seem fussed about what you do when plugging in or disconnecting - BUT I did wince the first time I saw him do it  Huvnae a clue WHY not to do this, Faither.......probably affects the doodah which in turn burns oot the dollopy bit’s armature windings. |
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Post by fireballbob on Mar 8, 2020 7:56:23 GMT
no i haven't. just relying on what my dealer tells me. AFAIK, the EML warning (the orange engine block symbol) normally needs to be turned off, usually with an OBD reader or by the dealer (using his very flash OBD reader at extortionate cost!). You can pick up inexpensive OBD readers that will also erase any error codes thereby turning off the EML on the internet.
I've got one of these:
which is fine for reading generic codes and erasing them once cleared.
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Post by fireballbob on Mar 8, 2020 8:00:52 GMT
Cheers Kev! I have to say that I've never tried it any other way on the RAV but my brothers Subaru dosen't seem fussed about what you do when plugging in or disconnecting - BUT I did wince the first time I saw him do it Huvnae a clue WHY not to do this, Faither.......probably affects the doodah which in turn burns oot the dollopy bit’s armature windings. i wouldn't want that to happen! |
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Post by three5 on Mar 8, 2020 8:43:06 GMT
Huvnae a clue WHY not to do this, Faither.......probably affects the doodah which in turn burns oot the dollopy bit’s armature windings. i wouldn't want that to happen! Don't encourage him Bob  |
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Post by three5 on Mar 8, 2020 8:49:09 GMT
AFAIK, the EML warning (the orange engine block symbol) normally needs to be turned off, usually with an OBD reader or by the dealer (using his very flash OBD reader at extortionate cost!). You can pick up inexpensive OBD readers that will also erase any error codes thereby turning off the EML on the internet.
I've got one of these:
which is fine for reading generic codes and erasing them once cleared.
at that price it has to be worth a go. do they come with clear instructions. Mine did. One thing to be aware of with Autel is that they issue updated software ( codes ) every so often. If this one is an older model it may no longer be supported. It will still work fine for what you want to do but I guess this is a developing area and if you want to get the most up-to-date information............ If the instructions are not sufficiently clear, just post and I'll dig out mine. |
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Post by shcm on Mar 8, 2020 10:31:45 GMT
Not STRICTLY true, Chris......one needs to make absolutely sure that ignition is AFF whilst plugging in and/or removing OBD Readificators. Why? Where did you get that piece of info from? Damage to the vehicle or damage to the diagnostic reader? CAN bus transceivers are quite robust and the vehicle bus goes through some fairly nasty voltage transient and ESD testing. Older K-line based systems are similar. It's reasonably good practice to start from "power off", I agree, but hardware damage is very unlikely. Can't vouch for cheapo "make from cheese" code reader design/robustness end of things. |
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Post by bigkev on Mar 8, 2020 22:16:02 GMT
Not STRICTLY true, Chris......one needs to make absolutely sure that ignition is AFF whilst plugging in and/or removing OBD Readificators. Why? Where did you get that piece of info from? Damage to the vehicle or damage to the diagnostic reader? CAN bus transceivers are quite robust and the vehicle bus goes through some fairly nasty voltage transient and ESD testing. Older K-line based systems are similar. It's reasonably good practice to start from "power off", I agree, but hardware damage is very unlikely. Can't vouch for cheapo "make from cheese" code reader design/robustness end of things. Instructment booklet......page wan......paragraph wan......sentence wan. |
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Post by davrav on Mar 8, 2020 22:33:31 GMT
Belt, braces, tin hat and scary knickers on behalf of the code reader manufacturer methinks - just in case user manages to somehow screw things up. Then they can rightfully say, "You were warned".
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Post by shcm on Mar 9, 2020 7:04:18 GMT
Instructment booklet......page wan......paragraph wan......sentence wan. So code reader, not car. Yep, "made from cheese". |
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Post by bigkev on Mar 9, 2020 10:08:14 GMT
Now got a Icarsoft wan too........giving it to Charlie to decipher techy instructments on how to use it......
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Post by fireballbob on Mar 9, 2020 12:39:47 GMT
just done a 70 mile motorway trip to Maidstone and back. i kept at the speed limits with the car in 5 gear most of the time. on the way home noticed that for a short while the car lacked grunt as if being held back . i stopped for a short break in Clacketts services and gave it a bit of welly when i rejoined the m way. little bit of what looked like blue smoke and the car is running really nicely. i stiil have all the 4x4 and engine check lights on. sorry for daft question ,will they need to be cleared by a reader or will they re-set themselves.
thanks again for all the advice
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Post by three5 on Mar 9, 2020 12:42:55 GMT
just done a 70 mile motorway trip to Maidstone and back. i kept at the speed limits with the car in 5 gear most of the time. on the way home noticed that for a short while the car lacked grunt as if being held back . i stopped for a short break in Clacketts services and gave it a bit of welly when i rejoined the m way. little bit of what looked like blue smoke and the car is running really nicely. i stiil have all the 4x4 and engine check likes on. will they need to be cleared by a reader or will they re-set themselves. thanks again for all the advice Bob I think that you will have to clear the fault Bob. Think of the OBC as the call list on your phone - you have to clear it manually. |
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Post by firemac on Mar 9, 2020 12:50:40 GMT
just done a 70 mile motorway trip to Maidstone and back. i kept at the speed limits with the car in 5 gear most of the time. on the way home noticed that for a short while the car lacked grunt as if being held back . i stopped for a short break in Clacketts services and gave it a bit of welly when i rejoined the m way. little bit of what looked like blue smoke and the car is running really nicely. i stiil have all the 4x4 and engine check lights on. sorry for daft question ,will they need to be cleared by a reader or will they re-set themselves. thanks again for all the advice Bob In my humble opinion, the EML (the orange engine block symbol) needs to be extinguished by erasing the codes that caused it. You can either take it to a dealer who will charge you handsomely for the privilege or buy the cheap OBD reader and do it yourself. Given the amounts generally charged by garages for this "service" even a cheesy reader is a no-brainer. I am not sure about the 4x4 symbol. That may switch off once you have erased the codes as one of them or a combination of them may trigger that warning specifically. |
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Post by fireballbob on Mar 9, 2020 12:53:55 GMT
just done a 70 mile motorway trip to Maidstone and back. i kept at the speed limits with the car in 5 gear most of the time. on the way home noticed that for a short while the car lacked grunt as if being held back . i stopped for a short break in Clacketts services and gave it a bit of welly when i rejoined the m way. little bit of what looked like blue smoke and the car is running really nicely. i stiil have all the 4x4 and engine check likes on. will they need to be cleared by a reader or will they re-set themselves. thanks again for all the advice Bob I think that you will have to clear the fault Bob. Think of the OBC as the call list on your phone - you have to clear it manually. Thanks Chris that makes sense. just gotta work out if i,m brave enough to buy one and give it a try. i found the port anyway Interestingly cruise wouldn't work as well. cruise light just flashes when i tried to put it on. Cheers Bob |
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Post by three5 on Mar 9, 2020 12:57:55 GMT
I think that you will have to clear the fault Bob. Think of the OBC as the call list on your phone - you have to clear it manually. Thanks Chris that makes sense. just gotta work out if i,m brave enough to buy one and give it a try. i found the port anyway Interestingly cruise wouldn't work as well. cruise light just flashes when i tried to put it on. Cheers Bob You won't have any problem doing it Bob. If I can do it - anyone can  !!!!! BTW the Autel model that Jim and I have is no longer supported by Autel - but it still works fine and I suspect that the one Jim linked to is in the same position ( plus it would be classed by Autel UK as a grey import!! )
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