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Injector Pump Disaster!

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Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by jolak » Sat May 06, 2017 10:08 pm

91000 miles in the Rav from new in 2011 and no problems until last night. I got a whiff of diesel in the car park in Nottingham and considered it a spillage and commenced to drive home after a night out. Every now and again, I caught the smell of diesel in the traffic in Nottingham and started to worry slightly, then, on the motorway, the car went into limp mode and the display told me I had an engine fault and a 4x4 fault.
I pulled over and waited for the RAC. The recovery guy told me that the high pressure pump was wet with diesel. he connected his laptop and it told us there was a serious pressure loss in the fuel system.
I got a tow to the garage I have always used for servicing and found very good so far. An expensive taxi home and the garage phoned me this morning to tell me the injector pump was leaking. I was told it was not a repairable item and they would investigate further. I was told that they knew where they could get a reconditioned pump and fit it for me. I am waiting to hear more on Monday.
I've looked online and the Denso original equipment pump, can be bought for just under 1200 quid and there are second hand ones, probably from Breaker's yards, available for round about a couple of hundred.
I've not seen anything on this forum about injector pump failure on the Rav4, so I ask myself, could it be something simple the garage have missed or am I unlucky?
I've always made a point of using good quality fuel when I can. I now use Millers and prior to that I used Redex.
I've had the car regularly serviced, replaced fuel filter more often than necessary and apart from this, it's always run sweet as a nut, particularly since the Lindop chip kit was fitted.
I have the ferry booked for a week from tomorrow and six weeks in France as long as I get the car fixed.
I welcome any comments from the technical people on this site.
Also, I understand that a new pump has to be callibrated when fitted and is this something which can be done with the Lindop kit fitted?
I've only just talked myself out of buying a new Kia Sorento or Mazda CX5 (more likely the Kia) and I'm now feeling like I should have gone ahead with the purchase, although chances are, I would have still suffered this breakdown.
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by anchorman » Mon May 08, 2017 9:43 am

I've never heard of a HP pump leaking and I am immediately suspicious about it. What else has been done previously? Where exactly is it leaking? Why can't it be fixed?

The fault code is correct for that problem.
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by maxman » Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

With the Lindop chip fitted ,all you need to do is unplug it and fit the extra plug that comes with the kit. This resets everything back to std .This should allow you to time the pump.
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by jolak » Mon May 08, 2017 9:27 pm

thanks Maxman, wasn't sure if the chip kit should be left as it is or disconnected.
Anchorman, the pump's never been touched before or caused a problem. I did question whether it was just leaking at a pipe union and was told that had been checked and the pump itself was leaking.
I know these pumps can be fixed by people who know what they are doing, but when you're paying labour charges and need to get the job done by the end of the week or lose a few hundred quid by missing the ferry on sunday, it's a case of going for the most expedient method.
I think it's common now that mechanics don't get involved fixing things because of the time element, so it's easier to just replace parts when they play up, which makes them fitters, not mechanics.
I've been quoted £280.00 for a reconditioned pump and about an hour's labour to fit it, which I thought reasonable, considering the worst case scenario of a Toyota dealer fitting a new pump at a cost well into four figures - or am I being cynical, having been shafted by three different Toyota dealers in the past with previous Toyotas I have owned.
I'm just baffled that the pump has failed as it's not a common problem, judging from posts on this site and others and 91000 miles isn't really high mileage for a Toyota engine.
The Kia Sorento with a seven year warranty is starting to look like an appealing prospect for someone who doesn't get his hands dirty with engines any more.
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by CharlieFarlie » Mon May 08, 2017 10:09 pm

Kia warranties are infamous for the limitations they have !!!

Your pump if it has failed is unheard of. I understand you being put out but the car has done nearly 100.000 miles so something going wrong is to be expected. It's not that long since a centre exhaust cost 1100 quid for these cars.

I would get it fixed by Toyota a a diesel specialist .
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by jolak » Mon May 08, 2017 11:15 pm

I should say that it's not quite accurate that the garage is getting a reconditioned pump, but they take my pump off, the specialist repairer (as they call him), has the pump, does what's necessary and they fit the repaired pump, so in effect, I'm getting my pump repaired, at a cost of less than £300.00, which is better than paying £1200.00 for a new Denso pump (I think).
How this is going to pan out remains to be seen, but the garage has been good to me up till now and I have no reason to suspect I am being ripped off.
Don's comments got me thinking (which is difficult for me these days) and when I look back, there might be a clue.
I had a couple of tanks full of Sainsburys diesel, which I was told by a Range Rover owner I know, was as good as Shell.
I added 50ml of Millers to each tankful and my motor was running remarkably well, which made me glad I didn't get rid of it and buy a Kia.
Then, about a week before the breakdown, I filled up at Costco and whether it was Costco fuel or not (probably not), the Rav started to feel agricultural (like my old H reg Disco), so thinking that Costco had stopped using additives, I gave it a shot of Millers - no difference, then another shot, which I know is the maximum permitted and no real improvement - but it wasn't that bad that I suspected something amiss - I just decided that I wouldn't use Costco fuel again - then the breakdown.
I have to conclude that the rough performance was nothing to do with Costco fuel (as I've found it to be good up till now), but a fault manifesting itself in the injector pump, which culminated in the failure.
It will be interesting to get feedback from the guy who repairs the pump (or I ******* hope he does), although they could give me any bullshit and I can't prove them wrong as long as the Rav runs well when I get it back - being in Froggy land from Sunday for five weeks if I get there - I sincerely hope that nothing goes wrong............
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by maxman » Mon May 08, 2017 11:45 pm

Looking for a positive on this,better for it to play up now ,rather than over the channel.
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by jolak » Tue May 09, 2017 12:24 am

dead right Maxman - I know someone who had to fork out over £600 to have a new alternator fitted on a Hilux at a French Toyota dealer and it took them a week or more to do it, so he had hire car costs on top of that!
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by Hoovie » Tue May 09, 2017 8:20 am

Check your european breakdown cover and top it up ASAP if need be!
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Re: Injector Pump Disaster!

PostPosted by Big Kev » Tue May 09, 2017 8:28 am

Cannot see the injector pump bothering with sort of diesel it pumps.....Supermarket piddle only really damages at combustion time my non-expert heid tells me.

Hope all goes well a la France, coz if that fault repeats in France, better to set car on fire and buy yer Kia.......lol.
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