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Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by nickcc » Tue May 02, 2017 3:39 pm

Just posting this for info.

Pulled up at home and smelt the distinct smell of friction material, as automatic presumed brakes binding. Had renewed rear calipers about 18 months ago suspected fault was the front brakes. Turned out the O/S/F caliper sliding pins had seized which left the pads pressed hard against the disc. Took the caliper off and the outer dust excluder was in tatters so decided to replace both front calipers. Now the point of my post, costed new calipers at local supplier, £267 per pair plus large surcharge, ECP £240 with massive discount plus surcharge so went on eBay and bought from suppliers of rear calipers at £129 per pair with new sliding pins etc and no surcharge. Supplier was company called Brake Parts if anyone's interested.
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by Big Kev » Tue May 02, 2017 5:29 pm

Mine in at Arnie on Thursday for very same fing, Nick.....see my post "Wassat Pong Mins" of much recentness........ :s_thumbsup

Don.....it was 4/2016 we did front discs and pads and cleaned every bliddy thing to your bonkers standard and re-lubed pins.......exactly a year and we think the pins the culprit.....? Hopefully caliper, as that way is warranty......if not, and let's face it, it will suit dealer to be a NON WARRANTY issue, it will be £84.00 an hour to look at plus any consumptibles....... :shok:
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by Hoovie » Tue May 02, 2017 6:19 pm

Kev, I would be surprised if Toyota don't consider it a warranty item as they have Pads and Discs as a wear and tear item, but nothing else on the brake side is excluded, so even if it were the sliders, they would still be an integral part of the Caliper/Carrier assembly.

I got my discs AND pads replaced under warranty due to a warped disc on a 4 year old RAV4, and your problem is less Wear and Tear then that would have been?
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by Uncle bob » Tue May 02, 2017 8:30 pm

nickcc wrote:Just posting this for info.

Pulled up at home and smelt the distinct smell of friction material, as automatic presumed brakes binding. Had renewed rear calipers about 18 months ago suspected fault was the front brakes. Turned out the O/S/F caliper sliding pins had seized which left the pads pressed hard against the disc. Took the caliper off and the outer dust excluder was in tatters so decided to replace both front calipers. Now the point of my post, costed new calipers at local supplier, £267 per pair plus large surcharge, ECP £240 with massive discount plus surcharge so went on eBay and bought from suppliers of rear calipers at £129 per pair with new sliding pins etc and no surcharge. Supplier was company called Brake Parts if anyone's interested.


I've used them before without any problems :s_thumbsup
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by RAVAsher » Thu May 04, 2017 9:09 pm

Shame I didn't know about these just bought a set of discs a few weeks back
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by Big Kev » Thu May 04, 2017 11:31 pm

Don sent me a PM PREDICTING that problem would be caused by seizification of Guide Pins.......guess what.....? He was nearly right......problem traced to seizification of guide pins.......

Bill.....? £108.00 to clean and grease, includeful of "extended Road Tests" before and after.

Ach......gubberit.......obviously when Don got me to clean to NHS standards last year, provide him with lubricant he sent me, then show him how to rectumfy.......never mind........ :s_blush......next time, I will speak to a brakes expert....
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by anchorman » Fri May 05, 2017 2:41 am

Big Kev wrote:Don sent me a PM PREDICTING that problem would be caused by seizification of Guide Pins.......guess what.....? He was nearly right......problem traced to seizification of guide pins.......

Bill.....? £108.00 to clean and grease, includeful of "extended Road Tests" before and after.

Ach......gubberit.......obviously when Don got me to clean to NHS standards last year, provide him with lubricant he sent me, then show him how to rectumfy.......never mind........ :s_blush......next time, I will speak to a brakes expert....

My old RAV has had exactly the same strip down and lube but never missed a beat and it stands most of the year with its new owner. Its a pity you live in the North Pole.
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by shcm » Fri May 05, 2017 6:41 am

Don, ar kid,

Does thee know whether all the pad manufacturers tend to use roughly the same material (chemical composition) for the base plate? (If that's the right term for it. i.e. the thing wot the friction material is bonded to).
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by anchorman » Fri May 05, 2017 8:06 pm

shcm wrote:Don, ar kid,

Does thee know whether all the pad manufacturers tend to use roughly the same material (chemical composition) for the base plate? (If that's the right term for it. i.e. the thing wot the friction material is bonded to).

Yes, the backplate is virtually the same mild steel pressing that they all use. The friction material is only a variation of a theme no matter who makes it too.
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Re: Front brakes binding.

PostPosted by nickcc » Fri May 05, 2017 8:49 pm

Many years ago the company I worked for operated a few hundred tank trailers all of which had load sensing. Every year we had a problem getting them through the annual test due to the linings being glazed. The answer was to routinely reline the brakes prior to the test, a very expensive procedure. We decided to try a different lining material, Don 262 comes to mind, which solved the glazing problem. There must surely be different friction material for different braking applications even with the same vehicle, I can't imagine that the same pad material would be suitable for the same vehicle type when it's sold in many different parts of the world.
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