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Post by phaeton on Jun 10, 2019 10:13:15 GMT
What's everybody's thoughts, yes it was a shame he didn't win, but he did leave the track if there had been a gravel trap or a solid wall there he wouldn't have got back on in front of Hamilton. Somebody has mentioned Japan last year with Verstappen cutting the chicane to stop Raikkonen overtaking him, Vettel agreed with that 5 seconds penalty.
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Post by davrav on Jun 10, 2019 10:22:42 GMT
Racing incident.
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Post by firemac on Jun 10, 2019 11:01:07 GMT
It probably added a few seconds of interest to what has become one of the most boring "sports" ever.
And there was a time when I would never have missed a GP.
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Post by davidwilson on Jun 10, 2019 11:15:13 GMT
Hamilton did well not to hit him but that was definitely a racing incident. That 5s penalty has made a swing of, I think, 14 championship points and kills off Seb's chances.
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Post by clarki on Jun 10, 2019 11:38:33 GMT
I'm not a particular fan of either but as the rules were explained to me it was a penalty.
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Post by unclebob on Jun 10, 2019 12:14:29 GMT
I’ve been on a few F1 forums this morning and everyone has an option....Vettel would have lost his position had he not cut Hamilton into the wall, the other option to 5 sec penalty was to tell vettel to let Hamilton pass due to an unsafe rejoin of the track ...they say that’s the sort of thing Charlie whiting would have offered that to Vettel .
Ferrari are now going to appeal the decision but with Vettel still on full throttle throughout the whole manoeuvre it was a desperate and dangerous man out of control .
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Post by aleman on Jun 10, 2019 13:01:17 GMT
I'm not sure about unsafe rejoin, but the more appropriate rule that was violated was 'Gaining an Advantage'. I am also reminded of Hamiltons penalty in 2008 at Spa ... 25 Seconds for gaining an advantage at the chicane, and not yielding the place to Kimi ... which he actually did, and then immediately repassed him!! Wrong penalty for Unsafely rejoining the track, appropriate penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. Just out of interest what is the penalty for deliberately pulling alongside an opponent and banging wheels with him?? (Azerbaijan 2017  ) ... Personally as it was under a safety car, Vettel should have been black flagged, not allowed to say sorry and get a little tap on the wrist! |
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Post by unclebob on Jun 10, 2019 13:53:48 GMT
I'm not sure about unsafe rejoin, but the more appropriate rule that was violated was 'Gaining an Advantage'. I am also reminded of Hamiltons penalty in 2008 at Spa ... 25 Seconds for gaining an advantage at the chicane, and not yielding the place to Kimi ... which he actually did, and then immediately repassed him!! Wrong penalty for Unsafely rejoining the track, appropriate penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. Just out of interest what is the penalty for deliberately pulling alongside an opponent and banging wheels with him?? (Azerbaijan 2017  ) ... Personally as it was under a safety car, Vettel should have been black flagged, not allowed to say sorry and get a little tap on the wrist! Vettel has got away with more over the years so maybe shut up and take the punishment like a man . |
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Post by Hoovie on Jun 10, 2019 15:15:42 GMT
I think the penalty was a little harsh as it was a limitation of the track at that area which meant his options were limited. As one of the commentators said, at that point he was just a passenger in the car.
I do think that it might have been a wise move to let Lewis pass however as going off the track like he did and rejoining, keeping his position ahead did give him an advantage.
(so I guess I am thinking the official reason the penalty was applied was wrong, but a different penalty might have been appropriate)
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Post by three5 on Jun 10, 2019 15:45:54 GMT
I’ve been on a few F1 forums this morning and everyone has an option....Vettel would have lost his position had he not cut Hamilton into the wall, the other option to 5 sec penalty was to tell vettel to let Hamilton pass due to an unsafe rejoin of the track ...they say that’s the sort of thing Charlie whiting would have offered that to Vettel . Ferrari are now going to appeal the decision but with Vettel still on full throttle throughout the whole manoeuvre it was a desperate and dangerous man out of control . It appeared to me that the Canadian circuit was one which favoured Vettel and the possible straight line speed advantage of his car, i.e. there was space to overtake unlike some of those dreadful street circuits. If Vettel had engaged his brain he could have let Hamilton past and then overtaken him down one of the straights. Hamilton is getting to the point where he knows that Vettel cracks under pressure and makes a mistake. Yesterdays incident provided a useful bit of data for Hamilton and he used it to validate that theory. It was very clever tactics, if somewhat risky, on Hamiltons part. Just MHO! |
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Post by phaeton on Jun 11, 2019 8:19:58 GMT
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Post by clarki on Jun 11, 2019 8:33:42 GMT
I like Palmer on 5 live. Only listen to the f1 now, not wasting hours watching it anymore its really not that interesting.
Does show you, all this chat, just how dire the racing has become. Nothing about overtakes or excitement, at a track after all which in the past has been famous for both.
Still think my idea is the best. There are 20 cars, 20 drivers, 20 races. They each get a go in each!!
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Post by three5 on Jun 11, 2019 8:39:41 GMT
Totally agree about Palmer's view on life and his character! Just read his piece on the BBC website ( your link ) and am agreeably supprised at how balanced his view is. Maybe he is "growing up" a bit and moving on from being a failed driver to a decent commentator? |
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Post by jasehutch on Jun 13, 2019 12:27:43 GMT
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Post by charliefarlie on Jun 13, 2019 16:12:07 GMT
It probably added a few seconds of interest to what has become one of the most boring "sports" ever. And there was a time when I would never have missed a GP. Pretty much how I see it Jim. It’s been watered down from the days when we had the Awesome V10s instead of the hairdryers we have now. I do look if it’s on and Vettel did nowt wrong at all. |
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) ... Personally as it was under a safety car, Vettel should have been black flagged, not allowed to say sorry and get a little tap on the wrist!
