Keyless car theft.

Arguably nothing to do with "Hybrid, EV, PHEV - The 'Alternative Fuel' SUVs" but a 'feature' of modern cars with keyless entry and start systems ...

With such systems, rather than have a key turn a lock an electronic 'key present' signal is used to unlock the car and permit the engine to start. There are two 'common' forms of attack against such systems:

• Relay attack - where a pair of thieves use two electronic devices to capture and relay the signal from the key to the car. One device needs to be positioned reasonably close to the key to capture the signal. This then relays the signal to the second device which in turn plays it back to the car. Protection for earlier keys can be provided by a Faraday pouch (or metal box). Later keys are fitted with a movement sensor so they simply 'go to sleep' after a few minutes and no longer transmit any signal to be captured.
• CANbus attack - where an electronic device is use to present a spoof 'key present' signal onto the CANbus. Devices on the CANbus then accept this as a real signal to unlock the doors and allow the car to be started.

I read on another forum that insurers are loading premiums or even refusing to quote for vehicles with keyless…. Any excuse to raise premiums will do….

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Not to mention spending a small fortune creating keyless entry/ignition: an answer to a question that nobody asked. 😡

It makes sense for Insurance companies to discuss with government and manufacturers that the key has to come back .
well unless insurance companies are doing very nicely out of expensive premiums for high risk cars 🤔

Does this hopeless keyless kit affect the earlier cars IE my 2013 ??

I'm certainly no more knowledgeable, but I'll comment anyway ... 😊

My 2013 4.4 had a key that I had to insert into the ignition and turn to start the car. If Charlie's has keyless start - i.e. the key simply has to be inside the car somewhere when you push the button to start - then I'd be pretty certain that it uses CANbus signalling and would, potentially, be susceptible to 'key present' spoofing. The CANbus has been around and in use for decades.

So, if some ne'er-do-well could access your CANbus with the right wrong kit they could nick your car. BUT, I'm equally certain that the CANbus in a 2013 RAV4 Invincible isn't readily accessible from outside the car so the exploit that receives so much publicity just isn't on.

That said, if they can get inside your car, the CANbus most certainly is accessible via the OBD2 port - so keep the car locked when not in use! If they were to force entry, the alarm would sound. The other interesting feature of the 4.5 "access via the nearside headlight" method is that the alarm doesn't sound before they inject the 'key present' signal - and then it wouldn't sound anyway.

Even though I’m retired I still encounter clowns associated with my work. 

During last summer I did a report on a very expensive new build house that belongs to a friend from the village. I did a five page report highlighting every fault whether minor or otherwise.. That report was used to force the builder to erect scaffolding to the entire house and have the roof stripped off in its entirety and redone. I wrote the specification for every aspect of the roof and even carried out the risk assessments. 

Today I was back at that house and inspected it via a very large cherry picker. The roof has been done again but none of the written specifications have been adhered too. Not one tile I tried has been nailed. The batten spacing too wide. No eaves trays or eaves protection felt used. The mortar used is very weak and falling out in short it’s worse than before. Obviously no qualified personal worked on it.

Every aspect of life just gets more and more difficult. Even little jobs like that blooming brake pipe no one wants to know. Little jobs to me years ago were used to fill in time spaces and I charged premium rates to do them. Every hour every job had a profit margin. As more of us retire there’s no credible people behind us. We live in a world now where no young people want to learn a trade. After umpteen years at uni they want to be lawyers or accountants etc. The thing that will turn it around though is AI. It’s widely predicted that millions of jobs done by bodies behind desks will be made redundant by AI….The only safe jobs are manual and skilled people…. The world has gone mad.